Best DD: 2014 Focus ST, 2015 WRX, 2014 Civic Si
03-05-2014, 02:14 PM
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It's a Honda forum...
Civic Si is my vote.
Beyond that, i'll go with this logic.
-based on history, will easily be the most reliable of the three
-based on real-world use, will also most likely get the best gas mileage
-based on history, will also have the best resale
-since it's NA, you'll be less likely to be tempted to do anything "stupid" to it (it's you're DD - keep it that way)
-i'm guessing it's also the most nimble of the three and will have the least torque steer/understeer
Something else to add to that list that might be fun
-GTI - no torque steer (reliability likely on par with Ford/Subaru - not sure if that's a good thing. unlikely to best Honda)
-GTD - see above, but in Turbo Diesel form (not a Golf TDI, but a true GTI chassis). Much much better gas mileage than anything listed above. Will also have loads of torque.
Civic Si is my vote.
Beyond that, i'll go with this logic.
-based on history, will easily be the most reliable of the three
-based on real-world use, will also most likely get the best gas mileage
-based on history, will also have the best resale
-since it's NA, you'll be less likely to be tempted to do anything "stupid" to it (it's you're DD - keep it that way)
-i'm guessing it's also the most nimble of the three and will have the least torque steer/understeer
Something else to add to that list that might be fun
-GTI - no torque steer (reliability likely on par with Ford/Subaru - not sure if that's a good thing. unlikely to best Honda)
-GTD - see above, but in Turbo Diesel form (not a Golf TDI, but a true GTI chassis). Much much better gas mileage than anything listed above. Will also have loads of torque.
03-05-2014, 02:33 PM
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I had a customer at my dealership yesterday literally comparing the 13 civic si and the 13 focus st. He drove both the same day and either my selling skills are off the hook (which they are) or he realized that in the long run the civic si would naturally last longer,resale higher,cost less in maintenance and probably not be discontinued within the first 5 years of production like a lot of domestics seem to be doing recently. Within a few hours he left with a 2013 civic si 4 door yesterday for $20750 and is happy as hell.
To the OP if youre leasing get the ford if it even leases well which most fords don't. If youre going to own get the Honda or subie which will typically be better in the long run
To the OP if youre leasing get the ford if it even leases well which most fords don't. If youre going to own get the Honda or subie which will typically be better in the long run
03-05-2014, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WRX2S2K' timestamp='1394047239' post='23047783
[quote name='vader1' timestamp='1394046600' post='23047754']
My wife just totaled her Focus, it was a decent car, not an ST. My major gripe was that the interior is very tight, and I am a small guy. It is cramped.
The turbo subaru I owned a few years back was not great on gas.
You don't list where you live (so the Subie AWD might not be important)but with a 60 mile commute I would want interior comfort and gas mileage as 1A and 1B in my own personal criterea, and fun to drive behind those. On long commutes I find myself in the right lane with the cruise on so weaving in and out or the ability to do so is not tops on the list.
I have never driven a late model Civic so I can't say much about it. For a small family, a hatchback has its pluses for utility.
My wife just totaled her Focus, it was a decent car, not an ST. My major gripe was that the interior is very tight, and I am a small guy. It is cramped.
The turbo subaru I owned a few years back was not great on gas.
You don't list where you live (so the Subie AWD might not be important)but with a 60 mile commute I would want interior comfort and gas mileage as 1A and 1B in my own personal criterea, and fun to drive behind those. On long commutes I find myself in the right lane with the cruise on so weaving in and out or the ability to do so is not tops on the list.
I have never driven a late model Civic so I can't say much about it. For a small family, a hatchback has its pluses for utility.
That's the one thing with the WRX that I'm concerned about - mileage. But I do think it would be a fun car.
My wife and I are looking for something practical, but still fun and engaging to drive since we'll most likely be selling the S2000.
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I bow to your negotiation skills. How did you get them down to $500 below invoice?
03-05-2014, 02:43 PM
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I had a customer at my dealership yesterday literally comparing the 13 civic si and the 13 focus st. He drove both the same day and either my selling skills are off the hook (which they are) or he realized that in the long run the civic si would naturally last longer,resale higher,cost less in maintenance and probably not be discontinued within the first 5 years of production like a lot of domestics seem to be doing recently. Within a few hours he left with a 2013 civic si 4 door yesterday for $20750 and is happy as hell.
To the OP if youre leasing get the ford if it even leases well which most fords don't. If youre going to own get the Honda or subie which will typically be better in the long run
To the OP if youre leasing get the ford if it even leases well which most fords don't. If youre going to own get the Honda or subie which will typically be better in the long run
03-05-2014, 02:49 PM
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It's a Honda forum...
Civic Si is my vote.
Beyond that, i'll go with this logic.
-based on history, will easily be the most reliable of the three
-based on real-world use, will also most likely get the best gas mileage
-based on history, will also have the best resale
-since it's NA, you'll be less likely to be tempted to do anything "stupid" to it (it's you're DD - keep it that way)
-i'm guessing it's also the most nimble of the three and will have the least torque steer/understeer
Something else to add to that list that might be fun
-GTI - no torque steer (reliability likely on par with Ford/Subaru - not sure if that's a good thing. unlikely to best Honda)
-GTD - see above, but in Turbo Diesel form (not a Golf TDI, but a true GTI chassis). Much much better gas mileage than anything listed above. Will also have loads of torque.
Civic Si is my vote.
Beyond that, i'll go with this logic.
-based on history, will easily be the most reliable of the three
-based on real-world use, will also most likely get the best gas mileage
-based on history, will also have the best resale
-since it's NA, you'll be less likely to be tempted to do anything "stupid" to it (it's you're DD - keep it that way)
-i'm guessing it's also the most nimble of the three and will have the least torque steer/understeer
Something else to add to that list that might be fun
-GTI - no torque steer (reliability likely on par with Ford/Subaru - not sure if that's a good thing. unlikely to best Honda)
-GTD - see above, but in Turbo Diesel form (not a Golf TDI, but a true GTI chassis). Much much better gas mileage than anything listed above. Will also have loads of torque.
03-05-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by s.hasan546' timestamp='1394053850' post='23048048
[quote name='WRX2S2K' timestamp='1394047239' post='23047783']
[quote name='vader1' timestamp='1394046600' post='23047754']
My wife just totaled her Focus, it was a decent car, not an ST. My major gripe was that the interior is very tight, and I am a small guy. It is cramped.
The turbo subaru I owned a few years back was not great on gas.
You don't list where you live (so the Subie AWD might not be important)but with a 60 mile commute I would want interior comfort and gas mileage as 1A and 1B in my own personal criterea, and fun to drive behind those. On long commutes I find myself in the right lane with the cruise on so weaving in and out or the ability to do so is not tops on the list.
I have never driven a late model Civic so I can't say much about it. For a small family, a hatchback has its pluses for utility.
[quote name='vader1' timestamp='1394046600' post='23047754']
My wife just totaled her Focus, it was a decent car, not an ST. My major gripe was that the interior is very tight, and I am a small guy. It is cramped.
The turbo subaru I owned a few years back was not great on gas.
You don't list where you live (so the Subie AWD might not be important)but with a 60 mile commute I would want interior comfort and gas mileage as 1A and 1B in my own personal criterea, and fun to drive behind those. On long commutes I find myself in the right lane with the cruise on so weaving in and out or the ability to do so is not tops on the list.
I have never driven a late model Civic so I can't say much about it. For a small family, a hatchback has its pluses for utility.
That's the one thing with the WRX that I'm concerned about - mileage. But I do think it would be a fun car.
My wife and I are looking for something practical, but still fun and engaging to drive since we'll most likely be selling the S2000.
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I bow to your negotiation skills. How did you get them down to $500 below invoice?
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no negotiations necessary. a NJ dealer on clubwrx does $500 below invoice on all subarus. a colorado dealer on nasioc & iwsti does $1000 below. NJ dealer is a 15 drive for me
03-05-2014, 06:37 PM
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I don't trust Subaru and their tubro'd motors anymore. There is no way I'd buy the first year on a new platform.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
03-05-2014, 06:40 PM
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I don't trust Subaru and their tubro'd motors anymore. There is no way I'd buy the first year on a new platform.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
So it's not brand new. And their awd is overrated but snows with their awd is unbeatable.
03-05-2014, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rob-2' timestamp='1394077034' post='23048618
I don't trust Subaru and their tubro'd motors anymore. There is no way I'd buy the first year on a new platform.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
Keep in mind their AWD system is really overrate too. Just get snow tires for your sedan.
I like:
Civic SI - Lots of revs, Honda, and fun
Mazda 3 - it's just a good package and the interior looks great. MPGs out the wazoo.
As for German cars. No thank you. Reliability. Blah. I mean if you're going to dump it after the warranty, no worries.
So it's not brand new. And their awd is overrated but snows with their awd is unbeatable.
Pretty sure the 2015 is a new platform for them. 2016 might be an option of you're a fan.