__Ap2__s2k

Buying the mugen civic for 30k is even dumber than buying this thing for around 40 lol at least it performs amazingly, unlike the mugen which is just a body kit and wheels. I applaud honda for what they've aimed for and achieved with this new type r. But it won't sell here at their price. Not in big numbers at least. And we all know honda won't sell something unless it brings them profit. The exact reason we no longer have the rsx, s2000 and so on

JonBoy

Just to make this clear, you just said that a $90K RWD Viper with 500 hp needs better tires to compete with a FWD Civic with 300 hp. Think about that. Tires? It ain't the tires, bud, it's the whole stinkin' car that's being built to an amazing level to get that kind of a lap time. The NBR is a very fast track where hp is needed and the idea that a 500 hp Viper can (potentially) barely outrun a 300 hp Civic is definitely not just due to tires.

Mr.E.G.

I don't think that's entirely accurate. US crash standards consist of both tested elements and required equipment specs. So you can have a car that was built for the Japanese market and maybe will survive any crash test scenario in America, but it is not going to meet the same standards for things like headlamp position or windshield glass thickness. Those things must be changed, which saddles the manufacturer with additional cost.

I literally don't think there is such a thing as building a car that sell in the exact same same configuration in all markets due to the fact that different countries require different items to be checked off the list.

NuncoStr8

Got a link for that? All I can find is marketing BS and no actual listed time. I did find an article that quotes a Honda exec saying it's just not going to happen:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/273678/h...d-admits-exec/

So you may want to dial back the fanboy. I don't think the car will be much faster than the Renault Megane, much less run under 8 minutes. Pretending it's already happened is just pretending.

award78

I looked all over for a link to this 8 min n'ring lap, till I realized it never happened. Just a lofty goal they set.

JonBoy

The Magane is their target, which means sub-8 minute time. Even if it doesn't happen (ie, if it beats 8:07, which was the old mark), it's still faster than the other cars we discussed.

I didn't pretend it's happened - I was merely pointing to their expectation of a Ring time.

NuncoStr8

There is no Nurburgring time for the new Civic Type R but you are insisting it is faster than known, very fast cars based on lap times that don't exist. WTF is pretending if that's not what you are doing?

It's OK, I'm just saying going on and on about how much faster this Civic is than some other very fast, very real cars based purely on marketing talk is silly. Pretty much textbook Honda fanboy behavior, as well.

JonBoy

We'll wait and see and revisit it once it's run the ring. If Honda says it'll be the fastest, one thing I know is that it will be faster than 8:07 (which was the record when they said it) and, if it beats the Megane, sub-8 minutes.

Honda isn't one to miss performance targets and I have no reason to think this one to be any different.

__Ap2__s2k

I think they need to quit wasting their time with sporty fwd cars and give us something rwd again. Take that motor, turn it 90 degrees and give it to us lol

Gymkata

^ ^ ^
This.

If this car is really as good as they say it is, then, imagine it in RWD platform. Not sure what Honda is trying to prove by coming up with the fastest-wrong-wheel-drive car, other than being able to say, "see what a FWD Civic can do with all that jazz?"