Article: Teens crash, people died, but WHOA...
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Originally Posted by Warren J. Dew,May 7 2005, 05:40 PM
They were street racing, they killed two innocent bystanders, seems to me those are the important facts.
Just another couple of facts for you.
Certainly two wrongs don't make a right and I don't mean to defend the racers here but I've been following this case since it happened and I'm tired of hearing them called innocent. They crossed in front of oncoming traffic.
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Originally Posted by DaveOnLI,May 8 2005, 07:08 AM
These two 'innocent' bystanders turned left in front of oncoming traffic. At in intersection where they could easily see the oncoming traffic for 1/2 mile.
Just another couple of facts for you.
Certainly two wrongs don't make a right and I don't mean to defend the racers here but I've been following this case since it happened and I'm tired of hearing them called innocent. They crossed in front of oncoming traffic.
Just another couple of facts for you.
Certainly two wrongs don't make a right and I don't mean to defend the racers here but I've been following this case since it happened and I'm tired of hearing them called innocent. They crossed in front of oncoming traffic.
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Perhaps 2 wrongs were made here: the speeding and the turning into oncoming traffic. But the speeding is definitely the issue here.
I also disagree that they consider this 2nd-degree murder, as getting charged with the word "murder" also requires premeditation directed at the victims in question:
Definition of Second Degree Murder
The prosecuting lawyer would also likely have to prove which driver premeditated against which victim(s), or some other legal conundrum. I doubt that the racers decided to race just to take out 2 specific people turning into oncoming traffic in NY, a city of over 20 million people. Any lawyer who tried to prosecute these two racing idiots would himself be a "dumbass" for attempting it, because he'd lose on definition alone, and your two racers would be back out on the street.
I also disagree that they consider this 2nd-degree murder, as getting charged with the word "murder" also requires premeditation directed at the victims in question:
Definition of Second Degree Murder
The prosecuting lawyer would also likely have to prove which driver premeditated against which victim(s), or some other legal conundrum. I doubt that the racers decided to race just to take out 2 specific people turning into oncoming traffic in NY, a city of over 20 million people. Any lawyer who tried to prosecute these two racing idiots would himself be a "dumbass" for attempting it, because he'd lose on definition alone, and your two racers would be back out on the street.
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Well if your your going to pull out the defiinitons:
MALICE AFORETHOUGHT, KILL WITH - To kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.
I'm sure the prosecutor has a leg to stand on in this case using the last half of this definition as his guide.
MALICE AFORETHOUGHT, KILL WITH - To kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.
I'm sure the prosecutor has a leg to stand on in this case using the last half of this definition as his guide.
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Originally Posted by Warren J. Dew,May 8 2005, 12:25 AM
I'd rather have them in a sports car than an SUV - I'm more likely to survive the collision with the sports car.
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Originally Posted by Warren J. Dew,May 7 2005, 01:40 PM
So it would have been better if they'd only been going 55 mph five seconds before they killed the couple? Or if they'd been 71 instead of 17?
They were street racing, they killed two innocent bystanders, seems to me those are the important facts.
They were street racing, they killed two innocent bystanders, seems to me those are the important facts.
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All cars have that black box. A while ago there was a story about some guy in i think it was a corvette or bmw, and he hit this lady that was backing out of her driveway. and they wanted to blame it on the lady cause it was suposedly her fault for not looking, but it turned out the guy was doin like 120 down a residential raod after they looked at the log in the computer. he got tried for murder i believe. it also showed that he didnt even brake. just kept going. i think he was drunk....
but yeah, unfortunate, and beaware that all cars DO have this and it DOES get used as evidence.
but yeah, unfortunate, and beaware that all cars DO have this and it DOES get used as evidence.
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Originally Posted by DaveOnLI,May 8 2005, 11:01 AM
MALICE AFORETHOUGHT, KILL WITH - To kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.
I'm sure the prosecutor has a leg to stand on in this case using the last half of this definition as his guide.
I'm sure the prosecutor has a leg to stand on in this case using the last half of this definition as his guide.
I doubt such a thing is likely to happen.
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In animal kingdom, inexperienced and young animals will explore different things, sometime they lose their lives doing that. It is just nature.
In Homosapien setting, a youngster can drive two ton vehicle and end up killing some innocent bystanders.
The morale of the story, young people will always incline to do reckless things like that, but the key is their parents to use their common sense not to give the keys of a CORVETTE to their underage son!
2nd degree or manslaughter....? Maybe 20 years in jail? Good deal for them. On the other hand, those two innocent bystanders will never come back.
In Homosapien setting, a youngster can drive two ton vehicle and end up killing some innocent bystanders.
The morale of the story, young people will always incline to do reckless things like that, but the key is their parents to use their common sense not to give the keys of a CORVETTE to their underage son!
2nd degree or manslaughter....? Maybe 20 years in jail? Good deal for them. On the other hand, those two innocent bystanders will never come back.