Another S2000 mention in C&D
10-08-2011, 08:04 PM
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Another S2000 mention in C&D
Hope it isn't a repost.
The November Car and Driver has a small comparison, "New vs. Used: $30,000." Here's the half about the S2000. It made me smile.
I couldn't find the article anywhere online, but I uploaded a scan of the whole thing here: http://imgur.com/HKOsK
Mankind's very best achievements..
The November Car and Driver has a small comparison, "New vs. Used: $30,000." Here's the half about the S2000. It made me smile.
You could, for $30,000, buy a nice new Miata, even one with a power-retractable hardtop if that is to your liking. And that 10Best winner will deliver a more satisfying experience than just about anything else you could buy... almost. Take that same money over to a Honda dealer and you could get one of the few roadsters to ever outfun the Miata: the superbike of roadsters, the S2000. And buying a CPO car is the only way you're going to get an S2000 with a Honda warranty since the company stopped building the car in mid-2009. Even with a slightly lower, though still stratospheric, redline and less razor's edge handling than the first-generation S2000 (1999-2003), an '08 version still feels impossibly light and responsive, and altogether wonderful. And the Honda's stubby shifter still ranks among mankind's very best achievements.
Mankind's very best achievements..
10-09-2011, 07:13 AM
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Should have sent that to Honda and have C&D write if they ever got a reply from them.
Toyota/Honda would have been alot better if they didnt shoot for the moon on their sports cars and focus on affordable sports cars.
If Toyota kept the MR-S/MR2 alive, it could compete as a baby Cayman/Boxster
If Honda would have kept the S2000 going, it could have used it as a miata fighter, or a step up from the miata but don't want to spend too much for your Boxster/Z4/SLK.
How Nissan makes the 370z/GT-R/G37 amazes me they can sell that car, yet the other big two from Japan can't do a thing. (excluding LFA/ISF)
Toyota/Honda would have been alot better if they didnt shoot for the moon on their sports cars and focus on affordable sports cars.
If Toyota kept the MR-S/MR2 alive, it could compete as a baby Cayman/Boxster
If Honda would have kept the S2000 going, it could have used it as a miata fighter, or a step up from the miata but don't want to spend too much for your Boxster/Z4/SLK.
How Nissan makes the 370z/GT-R/G37 amazes me they can sell that car, yet the other big two from Japan can't do a thing. (excluding LFA/ISF)
10-09-2011, 08:13 AM
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It'd be nice if Honda kept the S2000 alive, but if you saw the dismal sales for 2008 and 2009, you'd understand why they didn't.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
10-09-2011, 08:16 AM
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Dismal sales should be expected after 10 years of offering basically the same thing.
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10-09-2011, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jorsher' timestamp='1318176825' post='21053662
It'd be nice if Honda kept the S2000 alive, but if you saw the dismal sales for 2008 and 2009, you'd understand why they didn't.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
Miatas sold just fine for how long with only minimal changes? Civic and Corolla? There are a lot of cars that changed just as little and still sold well. The difference is the S2000 was never a high-volume vehicle, while others were, so were easier to keep alive since they were still generating a profit for the manufacturer.
10-09-2011, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RC 94' timestamp='1318177013' post='21053665
[quote name='Jorsher' timestamp='1318176825' post='21053662']
It'd be nice if Honda kept the S2000 alive, but if you saw the dismal sales for 2008 and 2009, you'd understand why they didn't.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
It'd be nice if Honda kept the S2000 alive, but if you saw the dismal sales for 2008 and 2009, you'd understand why they didn't.
Hopefully they bring back a successor one day using the same mantra. I don't want a fat, hybrid, ugly car plz.
Miatas sold just fine for how long with only minimal changes? Civic and Corolla? There are a lot of cars that changed just as little and still sold well. The difference is the S2000 was never a high-volume vehicle, while others were, so were easier to keep alive since they were still generating a profit for the manufacturer.
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The S2000, IMO, had two issues. It was well praised by the enthusiast press but what about the little old lady who wants a cute convertible. Mazda got those sales with the Miata AND got enthusiast sales. The other issue for Honda was since the car changed so little a new buyer had a choice between a late model used or new car. Now with the Honda's strong resale the new car math wasn't as bad as it might be with other cars but it still meant that Honda was fighting with their previous sales for new sales. It would be interesting to review Wrangler sales vs S2000 and Miata sales. Over the same time period.