7:15 Ring Time, can it be done?
05-08-2007, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidM,May 7 2007, 10:57 PM
7:15 Ring Time, can it be done?
Not by a the GTR as it will comes out of the factory. Afterall, look at it this way, Carrera GT, is good 25% lighter, has 40% more power, and was on sticky (ie. R-spec tyres) when it set the tims around 7:30.
New 911TT is lighter and more powerfull and that just returned a time of 7:50 (on R-spec tyres).
If the GTR specs floating aorund are correct, then they shoujld be happy with a sub-8 min time.
The Old GTR held that title for many years, and it's not like it didn't exist amongst some high powered exotics as well.
It's funny how far false propaganda gets. Nissan did a really good marketing / brainwash job then.
Truth is that the old GTR, that 'held the title' was a ringer. There was an expose on that by a few pro drivers / magazines, but I guess the Nissan 'claim' has still stuck.
The GTR that Nissan used to set this record-braking time was a race-prepped GTR with slicks, a lot more power, and modified suspension (among other things). The production R32 GTR's (ie. as it came from the dealer) best time was somewhere around 8:35. That is a very good time, but long way off what Porsche GT3 was doing those days ie. 7:59.
Not by a the GTR as it will comes out of the factory. Afterall, look at it this way, Carrera GT, is good 25% lighter, has 40% more power, and was on sticky (ie. R-spec tyres) when it set the tims around 7:30.
New 911TT is lighter and more powerfull and that just returned a time of 7:50 (on R-spec tyres).
If the GTR specs floating aorund are correct, then they shoujld be happy with a sub-8 min time.
The Old GTR held that title for many years, and it's not like it didn't exist amongst some high powered exotics as well.
It's funny how far false propaganda gets. Nissan did a really good marketing / brainwash job then.
Truth is that the old GTR, that 'held the title' was a ringer. There was an expose on that by a few pro drivers / magazines, but I guess the Nissan 'claim' has still stuck.
The GTR that Nissan used to set this record-braking time was a race-prepped GTR with slicks, a lot more power, and modified suspension (among other things). The production R32 GTR's (ie. as it came from the dealer) best time was somewhere around 8:35. That is a very good time, but long way off what Porsche GT3 was doing those days ie. 7:59.
Dirk Schoymans from Autocar magazine ran the 7:59 time in 1997 with an R33, not R32. And the only talk of extensive modifications comes from mostly speculation on forums. I'd like to see this expose article.
It's not like that time has not been backed up, you can witness an R33 (stock) run a 8:01 Ring time stock, by Best Motoring, great vid.
Watch it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ--ciht0C0
05-08-2007, 06:49 AM
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7:15 is only possible with the GTR if it's running full race slicks, best brakes, 800hp (highly modded engine) and some weight savings.
I agree with the others that the stock GTR will probably be around 7:50 or so which is still damn fast.
I agree with the others that the stock GTR will probably be around 7:50 or so which is still damn fast.
05-08-2007, 07:13 AM
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What's with all the conspiracy theory?
It does not seem like theory as it's supported by overwhelming evidence ... like that noone else has manged to get anywhere close to that 'claimed' time. Various publications, with pro drivers, and 'ring masters' managed the best time of 8:28.1 with a stock R32 GTR (as far as I know). This time was set by Autocar mag with 3 'ring masters' trying to get close to the 7:59 time claimed by Nissan. Other publications were in the 8:30 range if I remember correctly.
Dirk Schoymans from Autocar magazine ran the 7:59 time in 1997 with an R33, not R32.
I was refering to R32 GTR which was claimed (by Nissan) to be the 1st production car to return sub 8min lap time at N'ning (ie. 7:59). This is the car/time that is now knows as the 'record holder' of that time and the 1st sub 8min car there.
R33 - And the only talk of extensive modifications comes from mostly speculation on forums. I'd like to see this expose article.
I've heard/read this as well, but not just in the forums, but also by magazines. Some of them have Dirk Schoymans saying that the car was modified. Not sure what is true though here, as I'm not sure if anyone else (reputable) managed to match the lciamed time for R33.
It's not like that time has not been backed up, you can witness an R33 (stock) run a 8:01 Ring time stock, by Best Motoring, great vid.
That's for the clip, very enjoyable. Though, they did stop the clock before they finished the lap. I can only guess as how much longer to where the clock started, but it could have been 3 - 5 sec away. Still, low 8s there either way (which is awesome no matter how you look at it).
I have no idea about what specs/tyres the car was on ... do you? I did notice that you said it was stock ... just wondering how you know, as from that clip I could not tell.
btw, notice that even BM had the R32 time at 8:22 in this video you posted. Still a long way off the 7:59 claim by Nissan.
It does not seem like theory as it's supported by overwhelming evidence ... like that noone else has manged to get anywhere close to that 'claimed' time. Various publications, with pro drivers, and 'ring masters' managed the best time of 8:28.1 with a stock R32 GTR (as far as I know). This time was set by Autocar mag with 3 'ring masters' trying to get close to the 7:59 time claimed by Nissan. Other publications were in the 8:30 range if I remember correctly.
Dirk Schoymans from Autocar magazine ran the 7:59 time in 1997 with an R33, not R32.
I was refering to R32 GTR which was claimed (by Nissan) to be the 1st production car to return sub 8min lap time at N'ning (ie. 7:59). This is the car/time that is now knows as the 'record holder' of that time and the 1st sub 8min car there.
R33 - And the only talk of extensive modifications comes from mostly speculation on forums. I'd like to see this expose article.
I've heard/read this as well, but not just in the forums, but also by magazines. Some of them have Dirk Schoymans saying that the car was modified. Not sure what is true though here, as I'm not sure if anyone else (reputable) managed to match the lciamed time for R33.
It's not like that time has not been backed up, you can witness an R33 (stock) run a 8:01 Ring time stock, by Best Motoring, great vid.
That's for the clip, very enjoyable. Though, they did stop the clock before they finished the lap. I can only guess as how much longer to where the clock started, but it could have been 3 - 5 sec away. Still, low 8s there either way (which is awesome no matter how you look at it).
I have no idea about what specs/tyres the car was on ... do you? I did notice that you said it was stock ... just wondering how you know, as from that clip I could not tell.
btw, notice that even BM had the R32 time at 8:22 in this video you posted. Still a long way off the 7:59 claim by Nissan.
05-08-2007, 08:11 AM
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As much of a Nissan fan I am, I gotta say pulling a 7:15 on the world's most popular - and perhaps most difficult - track is nigh on unrealistic for such a car. I would have to be in the car for the entire run, unofficial or otherwise, to believe a 7:15 time. As others have said, even the most exotic and capable cars the world's best makes have to offer are at least 13 full seconds behind that time.
If Nissan really is able to pull this off with a pretty heavy TTV6 car with AWD, they will have set a very serious engineering benchmark, and arguably have the best drivetrain and setup money can buy in any streetable car. I am skeptical, period.
Here's to hoping Nissan proves me wrong.
If Nissan really is able to pull this off with a pretty heavy TTV6 car with AWD, they will have set a very serious engineering benchmark, and arguably have the best drivetrain and setup money can buy in any streetable car. I am skeptical, period.
Here's to hoping Nissan proves me wrong.
05-08-2007, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Slamnasty,May 8 2007, 08:11 AM
As much of a Nissan fan I am, I gotta say pulling a 7:15 on the world's most popular - and perhaps most difficult - track is nigh on unrealistic for such a car. I would have to be in the car for the entire run, unofficial or otherwise, to believe a 7:15 time. As others have said, even the most exotic and capable cars the world's best makes have to offer are at least 13 full seconds behind that time.
If Nissan really is able to pull this off with a pretty heavy TTV6 car with AWD, they will have set a very serious engineering benchmark, and arguably have the best drivetrain and setup money can buy in any streetable car. I am skeptical, period.
Here's to hoping Nissan proves me wrong.
If Nissan really is able to pull this off with a pretty heavy TTV6 car with AWD, they will have set a very serious engineering benchmark, and arguably have the best drivetrain and setup money can buy in any streetable car. I am skeptical, period.
Here's to hoping Nissan proves me wrong.
Now every stupid GTR board will start screaming about the rebirth of 'gawdzirra' again and this quote will last for 2 years even after it's disproven 100,000 times. I can make up stuff too...it's really easy.
When making insane claims you need insane evidence. One dumb article does not constitute such evidence.
05-08-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kpdx01,May 8 2007, 09:19 AM
You and I both know it would have to have north of 650HP (probably closer to the 800 QUIKAG posted) to do that and it doesn't so it's obviously not true. With the Hp it has now (450-500) it would need to lose at least 1200lbs to even get close to that time. That auto-express guy should kick his own ass for fueling such BS.
Now every stupid GTR board will start screaming about the rebirth of 'gawdzirra' again and this quote will last for 2 years even after it's disproven 100,000 times. I can make up stuff too...it's really easy.
When making insane claims you need insane evidence. One dumb article does not constitute such evidence.
Now every stupid GTR board will start screaming about the rebirth of 'gawdzirra' again and this quote will last for 2 years even after it's disproven 100,000 times. I can make up stuff too...it's really easy.
When making insane claims you need insane evidence. One dumb article does not constitute such evidence.
