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Old 06-19-2013, 02:53 PM
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Dependability doesn't matter to the people who buy these cars. They buy them brand new... keep them 3-5 years, then sell them just as they start to have problems. The poor wanna-be's who buy these cars second hand are the people who get stuck with all of the problems. If you can't afford this car brand new, you probably can't afford it used either.
Oh, come on. That might be true for a V12 Ferrari, but not for something like a Jag or 911.

My 2001 996 has been way cheaper to own in the last two years than my 2011 M3, with more mileage and all the track days on the 911.

New-car depreciation is killer. The best practical bet on high-end cars is to buy one that's at least five years old (i.e., more than 50% depreciated) and then just budget sensibly for maintenance/repairs.
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Dependability doesn't matter to the people who buy these cars. They buy them brand new... keep them 3-5 years, then sell them just as they start to have problems. The poor wanna-be's who buy these cars second hand are the people who get stuck with all of the problems. If you can't afford this car brand new, you probably can't afford it used either.
Oh, come on. That might be true for a V12 Ferrari, but not for something like a Jag or 911.

My 2001 996 has been way cheaper to own in the last two years than my 2011 M3, with more mileage and all the track days on the 911.

New-car depreciation is killer. The best practical bet on high-end cars is to buy one that's at least five years old (i.e., more than 50% depreciated) and then just budget sensibly for maintenance/repairs.
This is EXACTLY what people do with BMWs and MB's in my area. All of the wealthy people buy these cars brand new... and all of the not-as-wealthy people buy them used 4-5 years old, then complain about how unreliable they are (mainly BMW). This isn't true for everyone, but this scenario plays itself out a lot more often than you would think.
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Originally Posted by basscase
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Dependability doesn't matter to the people who buy these cars. They buy them brand new... keep them 3-5 years, then sell them just as they start to have problems. The poor wanna-be's who buy these cars second hand are the people who get stuck with all of the problems. If you can't afford this car brand new, you probably can't afford it used either.
Oh, come on. That might be true for a V12 Ferrari, but not for something like a Jag or 911.

My 2001 996 has been way cheaper to own in the last two years than my 2011 M3, with more mileage and all the track days on the 911.

New-car depreciation is killer. The best practical bet on high-end cars is to buy one that's at least five years old (i.e., more than 50% depreciated) and then just budget sensibly for maintenance/repairs.
This is EXACTLY what people do with BMWs and MB's in my area. All of the wealthy people buy these cars brand new... and all of the not-as-wealthy people buy them used 4-5 years old, then complain about how unreliable they are (mainly BMW). This isn't true for everyone, but this scenario plays itself out a lot more often than you would think.
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Originally Posted by deepbluejh
Originally Posted by basscase' timestamp='1371682407' post='22619167
[quote name='deepbluejh' timestamp='1371671381' post='22618770']
Dependability doesn't matter to the people who buy these cars. They buy them brand new... keep them 3-5 years, then sell them just as they start to have problems. The poor wanna-be's who buy these cars second hand are the people who get stuck with all of the problems. If you can't afford this car brand new, you probably can't afford it used either.
Oh, come on. That might be true for a V12 Ferrari, but not for something like a Jag or 911.

My 2001 996 has been way cheaper to own in the last two years than my 2011 M3, with more mileage and all the track days on the 911.

New-car depreciation is killer. The best practical bet on high-end cars is to buy one that's at least five years old (i.e., more than 50% depreciated) and then just budget sensibly for maintenance/repairs.
This is EXACTLY what people do with BMWs and MB's in my area. All of the wealthy people buy these cars brand new... and all of the not-as-wealthy people buy them used 4-5 years old, then complain about how unreliable they are (mainly BMW). This isn't true for everyone, but this scenario plays itself out a lot more often than you would think.
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I agree. Most people I know lease these cars and get a new model when the lease is up. After 3-4 years and 60K miles resale drops off a cliff, that 90K vehicle is now worth 35K, and it seems like a bargain. My father went through this with a 1998 740IL and a 2002 745LI. Both of those cars were money pits.
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:32 AM
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Y'all seem to have completely forgotten the CPO market and extended warranties. These cars at 3 years old now get additional 3 year warranties and are largely fine. Its the people that buy them at 8-10 years old that have money pits imo.
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I'd much rather have the Maserati that it's based off of, reliability or not. I will say they're getting slightly away from ripping off Astons.
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Originally Posted by deepbluejh
Dependability doesn't matter to the people who buy these cars. They buy them brand new... keep them 3-5 years, then sell them just as they start to have problems. The poor wanna-be's who buy these cars second hand are the people who get stuck with all of the problems. If you can't afford this car brand new, you probably can't afford it used either.
Poke around online and look for threads on 2004+ XJ - XK, or 2005+ Range Rover with a blown engine, there aren't many or very few at all. The engine is one of the most reliable V8's on the market. Jaguar is a few steps behind in electronics. All the stories of having to buy 2 Jags as one is in the shop is all yester-year lore.

Here's a video on how the XK (and F-Type) is made. Jaguar Modern Construction
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Originally Posted by AZ-S2000
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol' timestamp='1371417877' post='22612056
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Looks better, that's about it. Plus with Jags reputation of being dead last on ConsumerReports or JDPower dependability lists, it can look good all it wants. The dealer will be seeing it more than the owners.
Well, hardly dead last the gaps between where they are and being higher on the list is not much. What is not stated is how many were fixed at the first service and level of satisfaction the owners have with their car. I'd put either of my Jag's against the best of Germany in reliablility all day long. Jag's problem is not the car, it's the dealerships. Some Jag dealership mechanics are just not up to snuff and it impacts the ownership experience.

I see you are from AZ, the dealership in Scottsdale is a good one.

I love this chart..[/quote]

Here's the latest from JD Powers Jaguar is Number 9, beating Mercedes and BMW



J.D. Power and Associates released its ranking of initial quality in 2013 model-year vehicles Wednesday. Here's how the brands stacked up, along with their problems per 100 vehicles and how much they moved up or down in the rankings from last year.

1. Porsche (80, +2)

2. GMC (90, +10)

3. Lexus (94, -2)

4. Infiniti (95, +3)

5. Chevrolet (97, +10)

6. Acura (102, same)

7. Toyota (102, +1)

8. Honda (103, -3)

9. Jaguar (104, -7)

10. Hyundai (106, +8)

11. Kia (106, +8)

12. Mercedes-Benz (106, -3)

13. Audi (108, +3)

14. Cadillac (108, -10)

15. Buick (109, +2)

16. Chrysler (109, +9)

17. Lincoln (113, +3)

18. BMW (114, -8)

19. Volvo (114, +2)

20. Smart (115, +19)

21. Land Rover (116, +7)

22. Jeep (118, +1)

23. Volkswagen (120, +8)

24. Mazda (125, -13)

25. Subaru (128, -3)

26. Dodge (130, +3)

27. Ford (131, same)

28. Ram (132, -14)

29. Mini (135, +3)

30. Nissan (142, -17)

31. Mitsubishi (148, -1)

32. Fiat (154, +1)

33. Scion (161, +1)

Source: J.D. Power and Associates
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Eh.. I'll have to wait a few years until I would consider a Jag. BMW and Benz reliability as with any car are long term. Just cause the Jag didn't break down within a few months doesn't mean squat.
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Originally Posted by AZ-S2000
BMW and Benz reliability as with any car are long term. Just cause the Jag didn't break down within a few months doesn't mean squat.
ok... say that to my friend had who returned two new Mercedes (S Class and & CLS) on the lemon law as they broke down so much...

Then again, you don't buy a Jag because it is more reliable than a Mercedes, you buy it because it's more beautiful, classy, and drives wonderful.
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