2003 cobra, why did they recall them?
02-18-2005, 11:14 PM
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I've had Fords, and I've had Hondas, and the Fords were better in every way - at least partially because Honda does not make a "great" V8. or even RWD. Honda makes cheap cars for people who want to buy them. Good for them. Ford makes all kinds of vehicles, and every one is beter than the competing Honda. Ford > Honda. Honda makes cars that don't compete directly with Fords, and so you can say Honda is better than Ford, but until Honda makes a V8 RWD coupe, a full size pickup witha V8 or V10 or bigger, or a RWD police special/taxi/family car, they will never be in a position to better Ford. In Europe, there is no discussion of whether the top end Focus is better than the top end Civic - the Focus is in a different league altogether. The only "great" cars Honda makes are the S2000 and the NSX, and they refuse to produce the NSX at a price that makes it worth it. You don't find anyone arguing about whether the Ford GT is worth the money.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
02-18-2005, 11:55 PM
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why is RWD so important in a people mover again? if i drop a great Ford V8 into the accord and make it RWD how does that make the accord better? we're talking about cars that carry people from point A to point B. yea, i really need a V8 and RWD for that. ...
when did better = making a full size pickup, a taxi or a police car?
yea, take your Ford GT...just rememebr, under no circumstance should you drive it.
when did better = making a full size pickup, a taxi or a police car?
yea, take your Ford GT...just rememebr, under no circumstance should you drive it.
02-19-2005, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really' date='Feb 19 2005, 02:14 AM
I've had Fords, and I've had Hondas, and the Fords were better in every way - at least partially because Honda does not make a "great" V8. or even RWD. Honda makes cheap cars for people who want to buy them. Good for them. Ford makes all kinds of vehicles, and every one is beter than the competing Honda. Ford > Honda. Honda makes cars that don't compete directly with Fords, and so you can say Honda is better than Ford, but until Honda makes a V8 RWD coupe, a full size pickup witha V8 or V10 or bigger, or a RWD police special/taxi/family car, they will never be in a position to better Ford. In Europe, there is no discussion of whether the top end Focus is better than the top end Civic - the Focus is in a different league altogether. The only "great" cars Honda makes are the S2000 and the NSX, and they refuse to produce the NSX at a price that makes it worth it. You don't find anyone arguing about whether the Ford GT is worth the money.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
02-19-2005, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really' date='Feb 19 2005, 12:14 AM
I've had Fords, and I've had Hondas, and the Fords were better in every way - at least partially because Honda does not make a "great" V8. or even RWD. Honda makes cheap cars for people who want to buy them. Good for them. Ford makes all kinds of vehicles, and every one is beter than the competing Honda. Ford > Honda. Honda makes cars that don't compete directly with Fords, and so you can say Honda is better than Ford, but until Honda makes a V8 RWD coupe, a full size pickup witha V8 or V10 or bigger, or a RWD police special/taxi/family car, they will never be in a position to better Ford. In Europe, there is no discussion of whether the top end Focus is better than the top end Civic - the Focus is in a different league altogether. The only "great" cars Honda makes are the S2000 and the NSX, and they refuse to produce the NSX at a price that makes it worth it. You don't find anyone arguing about whether the Ford GT is worth the money.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
By the same level, you only mean straight-line accelerations for the price, then yes, but you'd be ignoring all other factors, such as handling, quality, reliability, blah blah...Same old stuff, but yes, every magazine, every independent testing company, every survey, every market study has put Honda quality and reliability much above Ford.The only reason Ford sells more than Honda is because Ford is much bigger, being that it is much older than Honda. Ford also owns 10 other automakers. But if Ford keeps declining the way it's been for the past few years, no matter how big it may be, it will be surpassed by Honda and others. Look! Toyota has already surpassed it and only a few years ago, it was rather smaller than Ford. And it continues to leave Ford in the dust. "A giant with deep wounds will eventually be brought down."
02-19-2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really' date='Feb 19 2005, 01:14 AM
I've had Fords, and I've had Hondas, and the Fords were better in every way - at least partially because Honda does not make a "great" V8. or even RWD. Honda makes cheap cars for people who want to buy them. Good for them. Ford makes all kinds of vehicles, and every one is beter than the competing Honda. Ford > Honda. Honda makes cars that don't compete directly with Fords, and so you can say Honda is better than Ford, but until Honda makes a V8 RWD coupe, a full size pickup witha V8 or V10 or bigger, or a RWD police special/taxi/family car, they will never be in a position to better Ford. In Europe, there is no discussion of whether the top end Focus is better than the top end Civic - the Focus is in a different league altogether. The only "great" cars Honda makes are the S2000 and the NSX, and they refuse to produce the NSX at a price that makes it worth it. You don't find anyone arguing about whether the Ford GT is worth the money.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
Sorry, bois, but Honda has a long way to go before they approach what Ford puts out in huge numbers. Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point, and buyers know this, which is why Ford outsells Honda by a huge margin.
I'd take a Ford GT with a cracked control arm over any Honda, any day, at any price.
02-19-2005, 10:16 AM
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For all of you that are saying the 03+ Cobra is a POS...please list the problems YOU had with YOURS. I had zero mechanical issues with mine. It certainly wasn't as well put together as my M3 but it's a damn muscle car...it serves it's purpose very well. My neighbor has an 03 with nitrous and all the usual bolt on goodies including 2.80 pulley and daily drives his with no problems so far. You guys crack me up with all of the crap you talk.
02-19-2005, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really' date='Feb 19 2005, 02:14 AM
Argue "quality" and "reliability" all you want, but at the end of the day, your Honda does not perform at the same level as a Ford at the same price point
The Honda performs at a level much higher than the Ford.
