2002-2003 C5 Z06
06-07-2013, 10:00 PM
#121
Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1370656061' post='22594616
Oh, we're talking about tracking now? I didn't realize the OP had mentioned that.
C'mon, people - stop expanding the original post to make a point no one disputed in the first place.
C'mon, people - stop expanding the original post to make a point no one disputed in the first place.
I'm not supporting the "dollar for dollar" argument. Never have, never will. My point was, you're comparing the ability to modify with good results between two cars at very different price points ($15K apart, in fact). The more expensive car is bound to have the motor and chassis that can be built for more, more reliably. Very rare to have a more expensive car that doesn't respond as well (as long as both engines are N/A or turbo or whatever - type of aspiration has to match up).
$10K in an S2000 will get you a lot more than 300hp (reliably). Clutch and a nice supercharger setup will net you 350+ whp, no problem, and unless you're launching it, it'll last quite a while. 400 whp is more than doable for that kind of money, which means that your S2000 will have nearly the same whp as the Vette but weigh a few hundred pounds less.
So yeah, stop making up straw man arguments. I've been very balanced on this - you're the one keeps making up claims that I supposedly said. My comments were tempered with a lot of common sense.
All I've said is that the more expensive car (Vette) is going to naturally respond better to mods, mainly because it is built for more power and it's engine naturally has more room for improvement. That's why you pay $15K more for it, up front. It's not $5K in mods, it's $15K in "mods" (from the factory - big V8) plus $5K in aftermarket mods to get to 500 hp. It's not very fair to compare $5K in mods on a $50K Vette to $5K in mods on a $35K Honda.
By the way, good luck getting 30 mpg driving to work in your 500 hp Vette. Pure highway driving, yes, but most of us don't work off the highway and most of us deal with traffic. My coworker had an LS3 that was heavily modified and he was lucky to get 15 mpg driving to and from work and he actually had some highway driving in there.
06-07-2013, 10:13 PM
#122
So you're saying then that mod for mod the s makes less power than the vette and won't be as reliable at the same power level then right?
06-08-2013, 02:10 AM
#124
I think it's best to appreciate the cars for what they are instead of comparing and contrasting pros and cons. Both are fantastic cars. There will always be someone faster, lower, better handling, prettier. PSA brought to you by "Truth32" 
06-08-2013, 06:08 AM
#125
Like I said before, the Vette is a beast, dollar for dollar, and you won't find anything remotely close in price that is comparable. The S2000 is no exception to that rule.
06-08-2013, 06:09 AM
#126
I'm explaining WHY that is true and also how just saying "mod for mod, the S2000 does less" is somewhat of an unfair comparison, given that the Vette already has $15K in upgrades (comparing MSRP to MSRP).
06-08-2013, 09:22 AM
#127
Yet you find it fair to compare a 25k to 32k car and base your opinion on said 25k car on how it stacks up with the more expensive car. And to take a page out of your book, who ever said it was fair, were jisy saying mod for mod it makes more and you acknowledge that, of course ita ubfair to compare. 6.x liter v8 in a car that costs more to a s2000 bit your enthusiasm to unnecesarily defend hondas started this side discussion.
So how do you feel about comparing the mod for mod return for an nsx v6 from a late nsx to a c5 z96 then? How does your logic apply here?
We're simply talking about the widely accepted idea that ls engines rwapond well to mods or v8s in general like as I mentioned before but you seem to ignore the coyote v8. Also the ls motors xan be found in camaros as well. Again talking about how well they reapond to mods so how do you argue a 30k camaro or mustang then?
You're starting arguments that disprove nothing; the topic here is that ls motors respond well to mods and net better returns than na four bangers, not to mention at those higher hp levels will be more reliable and in certain cars like the vette have better mpg.
Lol yet you feel obligated to throw in ur usual well hondas can do that too, in thia case you just need 15k, a lot of know how or trustworthy shop, sacrifice honduh reliability, forgive inevitable issues that come from heavy modding and oh yeah probably not 50 state legal either. Oh and then argue semantics and make straw man arguments.
Lol.
So how do you feel about comparing the mod for mod return for an nsx v6 from a late nsx to a c5 z96 then? How does your logic apply here?
We're simply talking about the widely accepted idea that ls engines rwapond well to mods or v8s in general like as I mentioned before but you seem to ignore the coyote v8. Also the ls motors xan be found in camaros as well. Again talking about how well they reapond to mods so how do you argue a 30k camaro or mustang then?
You're starting arguments that disprove nothing; the topic here is that ls motors respond well to mods and net better returns than na four bangers, not to mention at those higher hp levels will be more reliable and in certain cars like the vette have better mpg.
Lol yet you feel obligated to throw in ur usual well hondas can do that too, in thia case you just need 15k, a lot of know how or trustworthy shop, sacrifice honduh reliability, forgive inevitable issues that come from heavy modding and oh yeah probably not 50 state legal either. Oh and then argue semantics and make straw man arguments.
Lol.
06-09-2013, 03:15 PM
#128
Actually, I'm done. You still haven't grasped the issue so there's no point in me continuing. 
06-09-2013, 04:18 PM
#129
Registered User
The C5Z is a great car.I've had mine for 7 years and bought it from the original owner.
HP & TQ are great,easy to mod and still can get 32+ on the hwy.
It's a very different animal than the S2K.I like diff animals.
\rlr
Carolina
HP & TQ are great,easy to mod and still can get 32+ on the hwy.
It's a very different animal than the S2K.I like diff animals.
\rlr
Carolina
