1999 Civic Si vs 2012 Civic Si
06-16-2011, 03:58 PM
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Like I said, if the car came with a different engine, the sentiment will be totally different, which was apparent to those countries who got the type r version of the ep3.
It definitely wasn't a looker though, perhaps that's why... sorta makes sense, I mean people are willing to drop 40K on a 270hp two decade old car.
06-16-2011, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ElTianti' timestamp='1308086924' post='20682535
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1308077268' post='20681929']
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I'll be the first to admit I'm still in love with the slow, outdated S2000 and would gladly buy another if the right opportunity presented itself, despite the fact that an MS3 would kill it at the track or a Mustang GT would leave it for dead in just about any performance contest...
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I'll be the first to admit I'm still in love with the slow, outdated S2000 and would gladly buy another if the right opportunity presented itself, despite the fact that an MS3 would kill it at the track or a Mustang GT would leave it for dead in just about any performance contest...
The older models are flat out more fun. I own a '92 Integra GS-R which is very similar to the EM1 Si (double wishbone suspension, B17A (near identical to the B16A) and light weight). Stock 0-60 was 6.7 seconds and 15.4 quarter mile so color me not impressed with the new Si. Oh and still gets up to 33 mpg on the highway.
Also, the old models wouldn't even be "legal" today with their lower levels of safety equipment, poorer crash resistance and the like. I don't disagree that they can be more fun but they're also significantly outdated in some serious ways.
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Send me $50!
The S2000 CR is more than a second faster around VIR than either iteration of the MS3
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8
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I said S2000, not S2000 CR and those times were not done on the same day, either. The same list shows a 335i being 3s faster than the lighter, more tossable 135i with equal power levels.....on different days.
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06-16-2011, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hellaSleepy' timestamp='1308125299' post='20683879
^Its dropped pretty low already in price, yet you don't see much K swapped EP3's. Most people who do K swaps would choose to drop it in an EG/EK or Integra rather than in an EP3
Like I said, if the car came with a different engine, the sentiment will be totally different, which was apparent to those countries who got the type r version of the ep3.
It definitely wasn't a looker though, perhaps that's why... sorta makes sense, I mean people are willing to drop 40K on a 270hp two decade old car.
06-16-2011, 04:58 PM
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I hear people get about 34-36mpg on those base K20 engines
wish it had a 6 speed
actually without going over to the Honda-Tech forums can you do the following:
Take a RSX-S (any year, as it changed engines throughout its life) and put the 2006+ Civic Si tranny with the LSD on it?
wish it had a 6 speed
actually without going over to the Honda-Tech forums can you do the following:
Take a RSX-S (any year, as it changed engines throughout its life) and put the 2006+ Civic Si tranny with the LSD on it?
06-17-2011, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1308147547' post='20684580
[quote name='ElTianti' timestamp='1308086924' post='20682535']
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1308077268' post='20681929']
[quote name='WolfpackS2k' timestamp='1308073884' post='20681650']
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1307994978' post='20678133']
I'll be the first to admit I'm still in love with the slow, outdated S2000 and would gladly buy another if the right opportunity presented itself, despite the fact that an MS3 would kill it at the track or a Mustang GT would leave it for dead in just about any performance contest...
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1308077268' post='20681929']
[quote name='WolfpackS2k' timestamp='1308073884' post='20681650']
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1307994978' post='20678133']
I'll be the first to admit I'm still in love with the slow, outdated S2000 and would gladly buy another if the right opportunity presented itself, despite the fact that an MS3 would kill it at the track or a Mustang GT would leave it for dead in just about any performance contest...
The older models are flat out more fun. I own a '92 Integra GS-R which is very similar to the EM1 Si (double wishbone suspension, B17A (near identical to the B16A) and light weight). Stock 0-60 was 6.7 seconds and 15.4 quarter mile so color me not impressed with the new Si. Oh and still gets up to 33 mpg on the highway.
Also, the old models wouldn't even be "legal" today with their lower levels of safety equipment, poorer crash resistance and the like. I don't disagree that they can be more fun but they're also significantly outdated in some serious ways.
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Send me $50!
The S2000 CR is more than a second faster around VIR than either iteration of the MS3
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8
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I said S2000, not S2000 CR and those times were not done on the same day, either. The same list shows a 335i being 3s faster than the lighter, more tossable 135i with equal power levels.....on different days.
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Blah, blah, blah. I'm right, you're wrong, send me money.
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You really don't see why your claim is bogus? Or are you just being ignorant.
06-17-2011, 06:46 AM
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I have an EP3 that I drive every day. It seriously is a better car for driving around town than the EM1. It is so much more practical, the interior is way better, and it is faster, I don't care what the stats say.
I'm not 16 years old so I don't go around street racing people, but I did have the opportunity to "race" against an EM1 on private property and the EP3 is just consistently faster than the EM1. But here's the thing, they both suck balls at accelerating. They are fast enough to get out of their own way and, unlike most economy cars, you can pass people on the highway with relative ease. But they both are kind of a joke in terms of acceleration.
Another thing, the engine in the EP3 is odd. It has considerably more torque than the B16 but it feels, well, just kind of weird. It feels like it's torque relative to its power is askew and when you accelerate, you feel the torque and intuitively think, "Ok, here comes the power," but then you hit the 6800 RPM redline and realize it's never coming.
As mentioned, the shifter, seats, and steering wheel make the car worth driving. I also happen to really like the fact that it sits so high. Naturally, the hatchback is awesome as well.
Lastly, if I was picking one of these cars to make into a track car, sure, I'd probably pick the EM1. However, I'd never choose either of them over a ton of other cars (hence the turbo Miata in my garage). The EM1 does feel more "tossable" and I would generally give it the nod for handling, but in real world, "Holy shit I just had to swerve around a car and go over a speed bump at the same time," kind of handling, the EP3 is way better.
The EP3 is just a different way to accomplish basically the same thing performance wise, while giving you a much better experience while doing the mundane parts of motoring.
I'm not 16 years old so I don't go around street racing people, but I did have the opportunity to "race" against an EM1 on private property and the EP3 is just consistently faster than the EM1. But here's the thing, they both suck balls at accelerating. They are fast enough to get out of their own way and, unlike most economy cars, you can pass people on the highway with relative ease. But they both are kind of a joke in terms of acceleration.
Another thing, the engine in the EP3 is odd. It has considerably more torque than the B16 but it feels, well, just kind of weird. It feels like it's torque relative to its power is askew and when you accelerate, you feel the torque and intuitively think, "Ok, here comes the power," but then you hit the 6800 RPM redline and realize it's never coming.
As mentioned, the shifter, seats, and steering wheel make the car worth driving. I also happen to really like the fact that it sits so high. Naturally, the hatchback is awesome as well.
Lastly, if I was picking one of these cars to make into a track car, sure, I'd probably pick the EM1. However, I'd never choose either of them over a ton of other cars (hence the turbo Miata in my garage). The EM1 does feel more "tossable" and I would generally give it the nod for handling, but in real world, "Holy shit I just had to swerve around a car and go over a speed bump at the same time," kind of handling, the EP3 is way better.
The EP3 is just a different way to accomplish basically the same thing performance wise, while giving you a much better experience while doing the mundane parts of motoring.
06-17-2011, 08:07 AM
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I had a 2000 SIR (Canada) and it was a blast to drive... but a lot of roll as mentioned. I was in the process of ordering suspension when it got swiped. Bought a base DC5 as a replacement.
The SIR was such a great base for a quick little car with amazing feedback, but lacked in more than a few areas. That said, the B16 in full song was stunning... Interior sucked.
The SIR was such a great base for a quick little car with amazing feedback, but lacked in more than a few areas. That said, the B16 in full song was stunning... Interior sucked.
06-19-2011, 06:39 PM
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I have an EP3 that I drive every day. It seriously is a better car for driving around town than the EM1. It is so much more practical, the interior is way better, and it is faster, I don't care what the stats say.
I'm not 16 years old so I don't go around street racing people, but I did have the opportunity to "race" against an EM1 on private property and the EP3 is just consistently faster than the EM1. But here's the thing, they both suck balls at accelerating. They are fast enough to get out of their own way and, unlike most economy cars, you can pass people on the highway with relative ease. But they both are kind of a joke in terms of acceleration.
Another thing, the engine in the EP3 is odd. It has considerably more torque than the B16 but it feels, well, just kind of weird. It feels like it's torque relative to its power is askew and when you accelerate, you feel the torque and intuitively think, "Ok, here comes the power," but then you hit the 6800 RPM redline and realize it's never coming.
As mentioned, the shifter, seats, and steering wheel make the car worth driving. I also happen to really like the fact that it sits so high. Naturally, the hatchback is awesome as well.
Lastly, if I was picking one of these cars to make into a track car, sure, I'd probably pick the EM1. However, I'd never choose either of them over a ton of other cars (hence the turbo Miata in my garage). The EM1 does feel more "tossable" and I would generally give it the nod for handling, but in real world, "Holy shit I just had to swerve around a car and go over a speed bump at the same time," kind of handling, the EP3 is way better.
The EP3 is just a different way to accomplish basically the same thing performance wise, while giving you a much better experience while doing the mundane parts of motoring.
I'm not 16 years old so I don't go around street racing people, but I did have the opportunity to "race" against an EM1 on private property and the EP3 is just consistently faster than the EM1. But here's the thing, they both suck balls at accelerating. They are fast enough to get out of their own way and, unlike most economy cars, you can pass people on the highway with relative ease. But they both are kind of a joke in terms of acceleration.
Another thing, the engine in the EP3 is odd. It has considerably more torque than the B16 but it feels, well, just kind of weird. It feels like it's torque relative to its power is askew and when you accelerate, you feel the torque and intuitively think, "Ok, here comes the power," but then you hit the 6800 RPM redline and realize it's never coming.
As mentioned, the shifter, seats, and steering wheel make the car worth driving. I also happen to really like the fact that it sits so high. Naturally, the hatchback is awesome as well.
Lastly, if I was picking one of these cars to make into a track car, sure, I'd probably pick the EM1. However, I'd never choose either of them over a ton of other cars (hence the turbo Miata in my garage). The EM1 does feel more "tossable" and I would generally give it the nod for handling, but in real world, "Holy shit I just had to swerve around a car and go over a speed bump at the same time," kind of handling, the EP3 is way better.
The EP3 is just a different way to accomplish basically the same thing performance wise, while giving you a much better experience while doing the mundane parts of motoring.
06-20-2011, 01:30 AM
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People prefer to do swaps into an EG or EK because they're cheaper and lighter.
The EP3 is a fantastic DD.
Maybe the EM1 is a better track car, but for the prices people ask, it just doesn't seem like a very good option.
The EP3 is a fantastic DD.
Maybe the EM1 is a better track car, but for the prices people ask, it just doesn't seem like a very good option.