10th gen Civic, Si / Type R coming to US
04-10-2015, 06:11 AM
#81
I think the reason people like me aren't so thrilled about this civic is because it's ugly and late. I don't doubt it'll be quick, but the Focus RS appears to be more car just around the corner, better looks and AWD.
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
04-10-2015, 06:15 AM
#82
Nope.
04-10-2015, 06:19 AM
#83
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
So, maybe that'll give you some hope.
04-10-2015, 07:29 AM
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I think the reason people like me aren't so thrilled about this civic is because it's ugly and late. I don't doubt it'll be quick, but the Focus RS appears to be more car just around the corner, better looks and AWD.
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
04-10-2015, 10:38 AM
#85
Until you know what tires they were using, it doesn't make much sense to measure the time against competitors.
04-10-2015, 10:41 AM
#86
Originally Posted by S2020' timestamp='1428361162' post='23568818
I just don't see CTR being 10 sec off GT4 lap times. that's faster than a lot of exotics just from 5 years ago.
The Civic beats the original GT-R R35's time on the ring as well. This car is fast.
Honda's? Not so much.
GT4 claimed time is 7:40.
So the Civic's time is 7:50 - on a track that favors horse power due to longs straights.
that means the Civic beats: 2008 GTR, 997TT, C5Z06, F430, NSXR, Viper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
04-10-2015, 11:02 AM
#87
You can see it any time you want - they have video that's been posted. The Renault Magane RS275 Trophy R did a 7:54 so it's not like it's "unreasonable" to set a time like that.
GT4 time is claimed, not real, and yet you're willing to accept that? Doesn't make much sense to me to ignore video and take the word of Porsche on what they think the GT4 will do.
Tires have come a long way. The Type R has a TON of aero improvements over most of those cars you listed, plus it's got all the new engine improvements that give way more power under the curve for a 300+ hp car. An NSX-R made less peak hp, way less torque and the power curve is completely different (ie, inferior) AND it had way older technology (brakes, especially).
GT4 time is claimed, not real, and yet you're willing to accept that? Doesn't make much sense to me to ignore video and take the word of Porsche on what they think the GT4 will do.
Tires have come a long way. The Type R has a TON of aero improvements over most of those cars you listed, plus it's got all the new engine improvements that give way more power under the curve for a 300+ hp car. An NSX-R made less peak hp, way less torque and the power curve is completely different (ie, inferior) AND it had way older technology (brakes, especially).
04-10-2015, 03:27 PM
#88
I can guarantee the tires are certainly not what you'll find on the production car. Nor the roll cage, missing passenger seat, A/C, stereo and I am sure more stuff...
04-10-2015, 06:17 PM
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I think the reason people like me aren't so thrilled about this civic is because it's ugly and late. I don't doubt it'll be quick, but the Focus RS appears to be more car just around the corner, better looks and AWD.
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
I had a love affair with Honda in the 90s and early 00s. Then they stripped their line up of sports cars. Right now they don't offer a single sports car. I don't consider the Civic SI at sports car.
Now the new cars coming don't look interesting to me to own. They don't seem to understand the market or me as a car buyer. When v6s putting out 270-300hp were new, fine I could live without more power but Honda is stuck in a time warp.
Sure, the NSX a will have more power but I saw that ad years ago and the last one caught on fire. So we shall see how the first production run goes. I am not holding my breath.
There is no mid-sized sport car in development. There is no real s2k replacement, they aren't offering manuals in the acura lineup anymore.
The prototypes I am seeing look like they are straight from a cartoon book. Their buyers have grown up a tad. You won't see my hauling my family in a civic type R or showing up to work in one. It's not enough car.
This is all from a guy who's met with Honda folks several times, been to events and taken party as an S owner in an Indy event. We talked about things in dev and they don't me not to loose hope that they were working on cars I would love. I was happily waiting to buy the NSX, no joke, and I was willing for Honda to wait out the recession. But while they slept, others are making killer cars.
Ford, dodge, Porsche, Nissian and GM all made sizable leaps in areas of their line up. The Honda lineup looks the same as 5 years ago to me. Less the TL/TLX change. We did buy an MDX a but not the newest as it got the ugly stick.
Honda doesn't show up to car meets. Honda doesn't get active with their customers anymore. Honda lied to me about what they were producing. Fact is they are no longer a cut above everyone else.
That's a long rant but there were a few people wondering why the Honda hate on a Honda forum. It's not really hate, they make great passenger cars and minivans. They haven't made a new sports car in over 15 years. That's pathetic and so are their newest attempts!
What I feel is sadness. They don't make cars I want to own. The soul they had died long ago
It really seems ironic that Honda on one hand was giving the road car buyer so little of interest while they were working quite hard and effectively to update motors in purpose built SCCA cars.
Anyway, I agree, I wouldn't want to drive a car that looks like the new Civic even if I'm willing to drive the Civic. I want a Q-ship sort of upgrade. Good motor (but doesn't need to be Corvette fast), great brakes and handling but preferably tires that will last 30,000 miles, not 10k. Mazda, with the Miata, understands that a great driving car is more than just numbers. Ford figured that out with the Contour SVT and Focus SVT. I would be be very inclinded to buy a 5 door Civic Si if Honda shows they understand this. The show car suggests they don't.
04-10-2015, 07:17 PM
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You can see it any time you want - they have video that's been posted. The Renault Magane RS275 Trophy R did a 7:54 so it's not like it's "unreasonable" to set a time like that.
GT4 time is claimed, not real, and yet you're willing to accept that? Doesn't make much sense to me to ignore video and take the word of Porsche on what they think the GT4 will do.
Tires have come a long way. The Type R has a TON of aero improvements over most of those cars you listed, plus it's got all the new engine improvements that give way more power under the curve for a 300+ hp car. An NSX-R made less peak hp, way less torque and the power curve is completely different (ie, inferior) AND it had way older technology (brakes, especially).
GT4 time is claimed, not real, and yet you're willing to accept that? Doesn't make much sense to me to ignore video and take the word of Porsche on what they think the GT4 will do.
Tires have come a long way. The Type R has a TON of aero improvements over most of those cars you listed, plus it's got all the new engine improvements that give way more power under the curve for a 300+ hp car. An NSX-R made less peak hp, way less torque and the power curve is completely different (ie, inferior) AND it had way older technology (brakes, especially).
The Civic has a claim. As LegalBill mentioned, it was not a production model - with deleted seats, cage, etc. Let's see a Civic from the showroom floor beat 8 minutes. I will be the first to admit I am wrong if it's true but I don't think that will pass.