Ragamuffin S2k is Gone
04-28-2006, 06:16 PM
#43
Originally Posted by ragamuffin,Apr 28 2006, 11:48 AM
I will get u the pics when available. All I can say is the back end came loose and lost control. I cannot stress how important for correct tires. I did not feel comfortable with mine from the day I bought them. Although they were the correct size, tread design and such is a must when such a purchase is made.
I like you tires so much... 21000 miles and bought the same thing
glad you are OK
04-28-2006, 06:58 PM
#45
Originally Posted by ragamuffin,Apr 28 2006, 04:01 PM
About a mile north of the tunnel.
I'm so glad you are OK, except for the staples. What happened? Do you know what happened to cut your head? I was just thinking we needed to meet at Starbucks again, but you and Guy are both out of commission.
I am certainly glad you were not seriously injured. Now you can get a berlina black one if the insurance totals it. 
04-28-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by drewchie,Apr 28 2006, 11:12 AM
Ouch. 
Glad you're OK.
Not meaning to be an armchair QB, but there's an excellent lesson here for others to learn. While I don't know the particulars of this incedent, it's important to remeber something about our car... it's RWD. This means that when the rear end starts to get loose, the worst thing you can do is to lift off the gas or g-d forbid brake. When the rear starts to go, the problem is that you're losing grip with the road. The moment you lift off the gas, you shift the weight of the car from the rear to the middle. This causes the rear to actually have even less grip. If you use the brakes, the weight is transferred to the front, and the rear becomes even less stable!
The thing to do if the rear end starts to go is actually to stay on the gas and countersteer. This should straighten the car out at which point you can immediately brake.
I know this is counter intuitive, (when you start to loose grip, it's really hard to have the balls to give it MORE gas) so it's very tough to have the discipline to do. It's also tough to think of gas when danger is rapidly approaching. Rest assured, it only takes a second to get the car straight, then you can go for full ABS to bring you to a stop.
Most folks also don't realize any of this, so please don't take this as a critique of your driving. (I also don't know your exact circumstances) As said before, cars can be replaced, people can't. I'm glad you're OK.
With all the flipped/wrecked S2ks we've had in the past month, I think this is probably a good subject for the front page. Stay tuned...
Glad you're OK.
Not meaning to be an armchair QB, but there's an excellent lesson here for others to learn. While I don't know the particulars of this incedent, it's important to remeber something about our car... it's RWD. This means that when the rear end starts to get loose, the worst thing you can do is to lift off the gas or g-d forbid brake. When the rear starts to go, the problem is that you're losing grip with the road. The moment you lift off the gas, you shift the weight of the car from the rear to the middle. This causes the rear to actually have even less grip. If you use the brakes, the weight is transferred to the front, and the rear becomes even less stable!
The thing to do if the rear end starts to go is actually to stay on the gas and countersteer. This should straighten the car out at which point you can immediately brake.
I know this is counter intuitive, (when you start to loose grip, it's really hard to have the balls to give it MORE gas) so it's very tough to have the discipline to do. It's also tough to think of gas when danger is rapidly approaching. Rest assured, it only takes a second to get the car straight, then you can go for full ABS to bring you to a stop.
Most folks also don't realize any of this, so please don't take this as a critique of your driving. (I also don't know your exact circumstances) As said before, cars can be replaced, people can't. I'm glad you're OK.
With all the flipped/wrecked S2ks we've had in the past month, I think this is probably a good subject for the front page. Stay tuned...
Secondly,
Does this apply in wet and dry conditions? I will have to try this out on a open lot somewhere. It makes sense in my head right now, the problem is will my brain react and do this when it happens.
04-28-2006, 10:45 PM
#49
Originally Posted by ragamuffin,Apr 28 2006, 12:06 PM
04-29-2006, 08:29 PM
#50
This is the corner, isn't it, Robert? I think that's the telephone pole to the left you were up against.
How are you?! I imagine you're hurting a lot now.