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09-10-2009, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by the s2k dude,Sep 10 2009, 08:52 AM
about the whole insuring illegals...there are ways to make sure that they dont insure illegals. i dont think he wants to insure them either.. what would be the reason for that? when u are at the doctors surrounded by illegals seeking medical attention, then you have the right to call obama a liar.. until then i think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
09-10-2009, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by the s2k dude,Sep 10 2009, 09:52 AM
but this is the problem.. esp right now, it is very hard for people to find work. if they dont have a job, its going to be hard for them to afford to pay for health insurance in the first place.. then what happeneds when themselves or their family is in need of care? they either go to an E room.. rack up a huge bill they cant pay off and create more debt for themselves.. or simply do not go and get worse or die.
the part i really liked is where he said they would turn health care into a market place where people would actually be able to shop for affordable rates... just like car insurance. this would not only make insurance companies keep cost low but also would create jobs. right now the health care system is like a legal monopoly. there is really no competition for the companies and they keep prices very high. if more people were able to keep health insurance, insurance co's would be able to easily lower prices.
about the whole insuring illegals...there are ways to make sure that they dont insure illegals. i dont think he wants to insure them either.. what would be the reason for that? when u are at the doctors surrounded by illegals seeking medical attention, then you have the right to call obama a liar.. until then i think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
he is someone who isnt afraid to stand up to people attempting to bash him.. i think this is the kind of leader we need at this time. he is addressing problems that need to be solved right now.
the part i really liked is where he said they would turn health care into a market place where people would actually be able to shop for affordable rates... just like car insurance. this would not only make insurance companies keep cost low but also would create jobs. right now the health care system is like a legal monopoly. there is really no competition for the companies and they keep prices very high. if more people were able to keep health insurance, insurance co's would be able to easily lower prices.
about the whole insuring illegals...there are ways to make sure that they dont insure illegals. i dont think he wants to insure them either.. what would be the reason for that? when u are at the doctors surrounded by illegals seeking medical attention, then you have the right to call obama a liar.. until then i think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
he is someone who isnt afraid to stand up to people attempting to bash him.. i think this is the kind of leader we need at this time. he is addressing problems that need to be solved right now.
People have to consider health care just the way they have to consider insurance in a car. Not doing so is just irresponsible. I'm only 24 and I've managed my past 3 jobs to have healthcare. It's not easy but its not impossible either.
If we did away with illegals we could use that coverage right there to MORE then cover the people you're talking about though.
ANDDDD the most important bit is, you have to have a job regularly, not that you can't loose your job a short while and still be covered. I think that's reasonable. So say you worked two years you get laid off a couple months, no harm, that happens.
However the guy who works a year on and a year off. NO GO.
I'm ALLL for what you said about competition. Right now it's broken down to a few per state, but there's reasons for this too.
Since when is health care the job of government??? I don't recall that being part of the constitution.
Make NO mistake. OBAMA does want to insure illegals, he wants to welcome them to everything we have as legal citizens. As do all liberals in general as a whole. Look at amnesty for god's sakes. What a shame. Makes it so hard for people to do it legally too.
I'd have to strongly disagree about the guy, he's a socialist, a big talker, nothing more. IMO.
Time will prove this.
09-10-2009, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Aerodax,Sep 10 2009, 09:58 AM
This gets to the core issue with Republicans on Obama. They truly think he's out to do them and America wrong. It was behavior I laughed at a few months ago but their current state of separation from reality is getting to the point where it's dangerous.
Bring the separation on.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.
We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain.
You can also have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot.
Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
09-10-2009, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 05TurboS2k,Sep 10 2009, 09:04 AM
He IS putting this country in danger, economically and physically.
Bring the separation on.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.
We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain.
You can also have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot.
Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Bring the separation on.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.
We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain.
You can also have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot.
Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
09-10-2009, 09:39 AM
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^ I considered that already. I'm making sure it goes to Nicotunes my leftwing buddy who will still let me drive it 
I guess you can drive it to though.
I guess you can drive it to though.
09-10-2009, 10:20 AM
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Everytime someone's kid coughs or sneezes they are going to be running off to the emergency room under this LOL. Doesnt China have a similar system? China has been a democracy for years now right?
09-10-2009, 10:34 AM
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^ It'll be abused endlessly.
It's just another form of gov't created to support nothing but itself and a bunch of bureaucrats.
I don't think it'll pass, or even come close.
It's just another form of gov't created to support nothing but itself and a bunch of bureaucrats.
I don't think it'll pass, or even come close.
09-10-2009, 03:32 PM
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09-10-2009, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 05TurboS2k,Sep 9 2009, 05:19 PM
SAID 80%.... I'd be surprised. Said by the liberal media 80%... that'd I'd believe.
Caca is what we'll be in if this happens.
His first big step... right into the direction of socialism, the country might bite, everyone likes the idea of FREE. Only later they realize it wasn't free.
Caca is what we'll be in if this happens.
His first big step... right into the direction of socialism, the country might bite, everyone likes the idea of FREE. Only later they realize it wasn't free.