rob-2

up your debating skills. I said alot more that in context makes more sense "Energy cannot be free as a fuel, power source, or whatever you want to call it is required. Even if that power source, sun, solar, hydro is provided at no cost to you. You still must collect, convert and store your energy." Also said "First, nothing is free. While you can say 'water is free Rob' while it might be true, but there is a cost to collect, clean and deliver to your home. Thus it's not free."

I won't have a debate with you unless you actually say something worth reading in the future.

rob-2

Where is this coming from?

Most of this newaggy stuff has been disproven.

danvuquoc

I have some magnetic cuff bracelets to sell you guys...

g0g3tt4

In my opinion "Free" was only used as a word of comparison against what we pay for energy right now. It's possible that you went too far in your thinking and then stepped up to the podium to expound your rant, but your point is taken.

Look up Stan Meyer. You tube the name. Find his invention.

Control energy, you control people, and eventually the world. "Free" energy has has been squashed at every turn by governments, and financial backers that couldn't see past greed. Call it what you will.
It may not be "free" in the purest sense of the word, but once you calculate what it costs to make make a gallon of fuel or where that one gallon of fuel can get you in comparison, "free" may be the appropriate word to use.

rob-2

Lazy Man's summary of my post below-Energy has never been cheaper, we've never been wealthier, you should learn to give on less and beome less wasteful - big idea.

All the details

Interestingly though we've grown our economy on ultra cheap energy for the last 60 years. Who's been controlled?

Our foreign policy following WWII has been "The betterment of US people through peaceful means or otherwise". Thus we enjoy some of the cheapest energy costs in the world, lowest food prices, and the world is generally a safer place today than it was in WWII. We were so successful with our policies we doubled twice our GDP before 1960 and are the largest economy by miles. CHina only half ours but with 1 billion people.

I don't reject the basics of the we can create energy more efficiently debate but it strikes me as odd when the single largest way to improve our lives is to learn to live with less energy.

I challenge everyone who gets involved with such debates to look around their own lives. How many of you drive when you could walk? How many own heavy SUV or Trucks when a small car would do?

You know what I've found over the years? People want to debate or get excited over technology that means they don't have to reduce their use or become less wasteful. So it all becomes an intellectual debate, with little to no gains for people.

We have all the technology now to produce our own power and become energy independent. The little known sercet that no one seems to want to mention is at less than $200/barrel oil is the cheapest and safest form of fuel. We're consuming the worlds oil supply because it's in our domestic interests. Given enough time Canada and Alaska will be the largest reserves and close to home. Than we can kick into high gear all the alternative fuel programs we've invested in during the 70's.

But consider this. My energy bill is $70/month. My car, driven 400mils/month $100 in fuel. Yet a big screen TV shipped from Asia is about $500. A meal out at a nice place is $60+.

While we all jump up an down about $4/gallon gas, peak oil and the like it's all complete BS. We are living with ultra low energy prices.

Facts a gallon of gas in 1919 cost .25 which is $2.84 in 2005 dollars. But gasoline in 2005 was about $1.90. An amazingly 33% cheaper in almost 100 years.

Average house hold income $750/year in 1919 and in 2009 average income was $62K/person

FYI $750 in 1919 is only $9,826.52 in 2012 dollars. For the people in 1919 to live like we do today they would have had to see a 6.2 fold increase income.

Below you'll see the average person spends 50% more on healthcare or about as much on entertainment as fuel.





Conclusion - while tree huggers and off the gridders scream 'big oil is bad' they're all living, if in America, in the top 5% of the wealthiest people in the world. We could all use a little humility. Our views of the world are twisted. We don't need free energy, America needs to learn to live on less. Which btw our domestic use of gasoline is on the decline and that was per-recession. As for these create power from nothing, they aren't valuable until these inventors get scale behind them. Solar and wind on residential homes offers the best short and long term solutions to our energy needs while feeding extra back onto the grid.

Next person to debate shoudl come with more than opinion and be backed by facts and references. Alot of hot air opinion based debating has gone on long enough.


References
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...t_fotw364.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123957686061311925.html

S2KN05

Rob,
I'm not here to debate the topic. It is what it is and what you belief it's up to you. I have already went through the thought of debating time ago but it does not have an effect on the outcome since we are not in charge of the chance. But what if the power unit is at home? Look through the videos again. You might of missed something.

I'm hoping this year or next will be the free energy age. There are other government in the world that have been using free energy. I'll try to find the video again.

Ecat- cold fusion talks with Home Depot:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1784


More examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykuZHXtUSEI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF0Jv...eature=related

S2KN05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxQ99...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rhx...eature=related

S2KN05

How about I'll raise you guys a new more efficient engine (150 mpg) , lighter, smaller, less parts=cheaper MYT engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxZH...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPc06A8FwN8

whiteflash

Not necessarily knowledge, but certainly inspirational words for the intellectually curious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0KSUL_GBxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGrnT-6oV4A

S2KN05

^ Inspirational.

What is exponential growth??!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUMf7FWGdCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjlEJNfsOKc