Originally Posted by andrewhake

My biggest surprise with the square setup so far is the balance of the car. I was definitely expecting the car to have much more of a tendency to oversteer, but it is very very neutral. I haven't had the chance to do much testing in longer steady state corners but through lower speed stuff the car is wonderfully neutral. I don't have to be gentle at all and can really dive hard into a corner. I am guessing this mainly has to do with the increased negative camber in the rear going from -2.6 to -3.0. I am probably making better use of the tire but still I am surprised at how stable the car is. In many cases I may not be at the limit so have to take that into account as well, but man does this car feel crazy fast now.

I definitely won't be running staggered spring rates on this car like a lot of people choose to do with a square setup. I don't feel that there is a dramatic increase in dive under braking so far and generally the balance feels great. In the past my off track testing has reflected my on track experience with the car pretty well.

Definitely has me wondering how much of an effect the +9mm of rca really does have in the front. With the staggered setup I was sort of compensating with the -2.8 F -2.6 R camber to help get the car more neutral. Technically I went from having slightly stiffer springs in the rear stock to the same springs all around with the Ohlins so that has an effect as well. I think it is time for me to pick up a Pyrometer and dial in the camber and then fine tune the balance from there with additional front RCA plates and adjustable roll bars as needed.

Baffled oil pan is definitely happening as part of my next oil change also.

Originally Posted by SlowTeg

Unfortunately my car's been sitting and haven't had a chance to drive it, but I'm eager to see how it does. What swaybars are you running? On my staggered setup I ran a '00 FSB and '02 RSB with KWV3's on 8kg/mm springs. I can't remember my alignment. I think I was maxed up front with around -2 camber in the front and something like 2.5 in the rear. I do find it interesting how people tend to run more front camber going to a square setup, when I think more camber in the rear might help make the car less loose.

When running staggered pads for one event last year, there was a decent amount of brake dive (it was certainly manageable) so I'm going to run 11kg front springs w/ the stock KW 8kg springs in the rear and stick w/ the '00 FSB and reinstall the '06 RSB. Are you running staggered pads? The concern w/o staggered pads is the rear will lock up before the fronts.. I'm thinking the stiffer front springs should help slightly w/ brake dive and also make the car more neutral. Anything else I plan to balance out w/ shock adjustments and alignment.

I have some RCA's w/ offset balljoints for the front, but I'm thinking I might need something to add camber in the rear. I'm a little undecided what to do with the alignment or more specifically camber, but maybe I'll cross that bridge after I see how the car feels.

I'd definitely run a baffled pan if at least for piece of mind.

Originally Posted by andrewhake

I have only run the stock 06 sway bars. I am planning on getting ASM sway bars. I like the rates they chose and that they are 3-way adjustable. They are expensive but they are the only ones that offer what I want. I just don't see the need for some of the crazy stiff sway bars available.

Originally Posted by andrewhake

I have only run the stock 06 sway bars. I am planning on getting ASM sway bars. I like the rates they chose and that they are 3-way adjustable. They are expensive but they are the only ones that offer what I want. I just don't see the need for some of the crazy stiff sway bars available.

I have never really run staggered pads and never had an issue with the rear locking up before the fronts. The only time I have experienced that is when trying out pads on the rear that I knew had more initial bite than the pads I was running on the front. Technically I am running the Winmax W5s in front and Project µ Club Racers in the rear now, so I guess that is a very slight stagger but if anything I think I could use more bite in the rear now so I will be putting the W5s back on the rear soon.

The W5s definitely make less noise with the Spoon calipers. I also love how easy it is to check the pad wear now. When looking at the pads with everything installed it is really clear to see how much more open space there is around the pads so hopefully the cooling will be improved. Big difference when it is just the pistons pushing the pad against the rotor, and not a big hunk of metal wrapping around the backing plate. Should be interesting to see what sort of difference there is with the same pads and rotors I was using before.

Originally Posted by WhyW

Why the ASM? Evasive, Rob Walker, and plenty of people (including myself but that's not saying anything at all) run the Eibach sway and it's a great piece for 1/4 the price of the ASM. Plus the Eibach is adjustable too. In fact Rob posted a review on the Eibach and seems to really like it. You may have seen it already, it's on s2ki somewhere.

Here's the link

Originally Posted by WhyW

Why the ASM? Evasive, Rob Walker, and plenty of people (including myself but that's not saying anything at all) run the Eibach sway and it's a great piece for 1/4 the price of the ASM. Plus the Eibach is adjustable too. In fact Rob posted a review on the Eibach and seems to really like it. You may have seen it already, it's on s2ki somewhere.

Here's the link

Originally Posted by WhyW

But I thought you were switching to 12K F/R once you went to a square setup, or are you keeping 10/10?

Originally Posted by SlowTeg

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought the Eibach front bar on its stiffest setting was only slightly stiffer than the AP1 '00/'01 front swaybar? I was considering getting the Eibach but found a '00 bar for cheap and just opted to run that.