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Old 11-15-2010, 06:53 AM
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not one day after and its everyone accusing and defending. i love it, so italian.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15112010/23/...olo-resign.html

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88311

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6508933...errari-strategy

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/Ne...ceChairman.aspx

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/6509906...-lose-the-title

this will go on and on

but i still like the red cars.
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I like the red cars too, even with their relentless politicking and underhanded off-track dealings...it all adds that uniquely Italian drama.

I always like how Ferrari's public face is very united -- the standard we-win-and-lose-as-a-team party line. But it's Ferrari, so we all know heads will roll; the fun is guessing whose, and when!

I also can't help but feel (and I'm sure Luca di M. does too) that if it'd been Ross Brawn and/or Jean Todt on Ferrari's pit wall, they never would have made that pit stop blunder. So, will Stefano D. ultimately have to "move up" to another position? Who would take his place? (And I mean that both ways -- whom would Ferrari want for team boss, and who would even want to be Ferrari's team boss?)
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In the heads-rolling race, it looks like Chris Dyer's on pole.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-news-briefs76/
I always liked Dyer -- a real techie/geek-looking guy (LOVE the glasses!), and of course as MS's race engineer he was an integral part of 11 world titles (5 drivers' and 6 constructors').
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yes i read the same. welcome to the 2010/2011 silly season ferrari opera. this is going to be good and unfortunately some very good personnel will be discarded. and not for good reasons ether.
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This was posted in the uk section. Most interestig that Alonso was calling the shots over Massa's pitstop

The radio communications between pit and FA :

http://www.auto.it/autosprint/formula_1/20...isfatta+Ferrari

Giro 9 - Stella avverte Alonso: ” Hai guadagnato altri tre decimi su Webber. Anche Felipe si avvicina”.

Stella alerts Alonso : "You gained 3 tenths on Webber. Felipe is closing in too."

Giro 12 - Stella informa Alonso: “Webber si è fermato e Vettel perde terreno su Hamilton”.
Alonso risponde: “Se vedete che Felipe lo può superare in un giro chiamatelo dentro”.
Replica il box: “Ci stiamo pensando, concentrati su Button”.

Stella informs Alonso : " Webber stopped and Vettel is also losing ground on Hamilton."
Alonso replies : " If you see that Felipe can overtake him in a lap call him in."
Reply from pit : " We are thinking about it, concentrate on Button."

Giro 14 - “Come è andata con Felipe?”, chiede Alonso riferendosi al pit-stop del brasiliano.
”È uscito dietro Webber”, gli risponde il box.

"How did it work with Felipe?", asks Alonso, referring to the brasilian's pit-stop.
" He came out behind Webber", the pit replies.

Giro 15 - Dal box parte l’ordine che costerà ad Alonso il titolo mondiale: “Ok adesso rientra”.
Lo spagnolo risponde. “Ok”.
Il box precisa: “Uscirai vicino a Webber. Sei Davanti”.

From the pit came the order which cost Alonso the title : " Ok, come in now."
The Spaniard answers : "OK"
The pit clarifies : " You will come out close to Webber. You are in front".

Giro 17 - Alonso chiede: ”Quale è la situazione?”.
Stella gli risponde: “Dobbiamo superare la Renault davanti a noi, non si fermerà più. Poi c’è Rosberg".

Alonso asks : " What is the situation?"
Stella replies : " We have to overtake the Renault in front, he won't stop any more. After that it's Rosberg."

Giro 22 - La situazione è ormai chiara. È ancora il box che chiama Fernando. Quella via etere è un’implorazione
disperata.
Stella :”Lo so che ce la stai mettendo tutta ma è fondamentale superare Petrov” .
Ma il russo della Renault resisterà davanti la Ferrari di Alonso fino alla bandiera scacchi finendo sesto.
Un muro invalicabile. Vettel è campione del mondo.
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Think this is the best thread to post in.

Jean Todt says Ferrari was provocative in Germany and then some.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88393

Todt acknowledged that he had played a part in creating the team orders controversy during his time at Ferrari, when Rubens Barrichello famously pulled over within sight of the line at Zeltweg in 2002 to hand the win to team-mate Michael Schumacher.

Asked by La Stampa if he regretted that incident, Todt replied: "I do, because with hindsight it could have been avoided: Schumacher would have won the championship anyway. However, I would have had more regrets had I lost the title for a couple of points."

He felt Barrichello's handling of the situation had inflamed the problem.

"I shouldn't have needed to tell him anything," Todt said. "We had agreed earlier: 'if you're ahead after the pitstop, you must let Schumacher through with no fuss.'"

"He agreed: besides, a driver is paid to accept certain decisions. Instead, he would stay ahead. I called him 50 times and I repeated it clearly. He moved over at the last turn, the public whistled, Schumi gave him the top spot at the podium ceremony, and Ferrari was fined for infringing the protocol: 500,000 dollars."


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They got fined $500,000 back then and $100,000 now? I guess the 2nd time around is a lesser penalty.
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Hopefully they'll lose the "no team orders" rule, it is pretty silly.

For drivers like Rubens and Massa who find themselves in that situation, if you hate it so much, just drive your race and face the consequences afterwards. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees!

But there shouldn't be any *rule* against "team orders", IMO. The teams should have a right to pursue both championships as they see fit (though I would prefer for them to let their drivers race, always).
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Hmm... I'm pretty sure Ferrari's result was playing on Todt's mind for him to say this.

But conspiracies aside, I think its a step in the right direction.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88389

FIA president Jean Todt says new circuits will have to prove that they provide adequate overtaking opportunities, and has suggested that changes to current tracks to improve the spectacle could be on the cards.

His comments follow the difficulty in passing at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, during which title contenders Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber could not get back through traffic following their pitstops.

"We need to favour overtaking," Todt told La Stampa. "It was impossible at Abu Dhabi."

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Originally Posted by twohoos,Nov 16 2010, 10:54 AM
In the heads-rolling race, it looks like Chris Dyer's on pole.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-...-news-briefs76/
I always liked Dyer -- a real techie/geek-looking guy (LOVE the glasses!), and of course as MS's race engineer he was an integral part of 11 world titles (5 drivers' and 6 constructors').
Sadly, it's now confirmed that Dyer has taken the "win".
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=49859
His replacement is Pat Fry, who came to Ferrari in June from McLaren. Nothing against Fry, I'm sure he's competent, but this sounds like a classic case of Ferrari going with someone who basically hasn't been with the team long enough to p!$$ anyone off.
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