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Old 01-24-2008, 07:16 AM
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Τελικα ρε παιδες υπαρχει κανενα κιτακι φρενων που να μπαινει στο Saki με τις μαμα ΟΕΜ 17 " ζαντες και να μη θελει προσθηκες?Εχω φαει τον τοπο να βρω και κανενας δεν μου εγγυαται αν οταν τα αγορασω θα χωρανε! Δλδ εγω τι πρεπει να κανω να φεσωθω 2000 ευρω και αν χωρανε χωρεσαν?Και αν δεν χωρανε τι να τα κανω μετα?Ξερει κανεις κατι αναλογο απο εμπειρια?Θελω φρενα οπωσδηποτε!!!!
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paides mia erotisi....ti proteinetai gia anavathimisi sto sistima frenon piso..?mprosta exo brembo 4 pistona (granturismo) kai mpros piso solinakia ipsilis.....iparxei kapoio kit px brebmo pou na alazei to piso sistima?ena antistixo bbk diladi gia piso?exo episeis kai ta 6 pistona endless ,kai skeftomouna gia endless mprosta me brembo piso alla nomizo pos einai ipervoli, alla kai den ksero ean iparxei texnikos me aparetiti empeiria pou na to analambanei. diladi mprosta 360 diskoi me ta endless 6 piston kai piso 328 me brembo 4piston...anyone?
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Loipon,apantaw kai stous dyo:

@ Colin Yparxei to 4 piston kit ths Willwood to opoio mporei na bei se mama 16ares alla kai mama 17ares xwris apostates. Mporeis na to psa3eis peretairo kanontas search. Epishs amesws meta erxetai to kit tis Spoon pou mpainei me xrhsh apostath (3mm and den apatomai). Exete yp opsin sas oti oi mama 16ares exoune pio poly xwro gia frena apo tis mama 17ares logo tou sxediasmou twn aktinwn. Ela allo kit frenwn pou vgainei se 4pistona, 6pistona kai 10pistona kai xwraei stis mama zantes einai auto tis Tarox.

@ Dr Soulis Kat arxhn an alla3eis frena pisw, 3exnas to xeirofreno, den tha douleuei. Deuteron den vriskw kanenan logo na alla3eis frena sto S genikotera kai EIDIKA PISW. O monos logos pou mporw na skeftw einai gia to bling effect. Na valeis ta brembo pisw OUTE NA TO SKEFTESAI, pou den 3erw an ginetai kiolas. Akoma kai na ginetai tha xalaseis entelws to zygisma tou autokinhtou sta frena.


Liga logia gia ta Big Brake Kits (BBK):

Kat arxhn gyriste sthn 2h selida tou "frena-anarthseis" kai diavaste to arthro sto link pou exw postarei.

Afou loipon lavoume auto ypopsin exoume ta e3hs:

MHN MPERDEVESTE me thn aisthhsh pou sas dinei to autokinhto otan frenarete se sxesh me alla autokinhta. Se merika autokinhta (kyriws germanika) exeis thn aisthhsh oti "kokalonoun" kai "gonatizoun. Tha elega oti auto einai mallon pseudaisthhsh kai ofeiletai se logous pou tha analysw parakatw. Arxika prepei na lavoume ypopsin mas ton prosanatolismo pou exei to s2k. Einai hardcore autokinhto me stisimo gia pista kai symperiferetai san agwnistiko. Ta frena tou exoune TELEIO zygisma gia plasarisma sthn strofh kai einai APOLYTWS ikana gia na akinhtopoihsoun to autokinhto akoma kai apo megales taxythtes. Kapoia alla symvatika autokinhta diathetoune brake assist pou shmainei oti patwntas freno einai san na piezoume to pental me perissoterh dynamh ap' osh pragmatika vazoume. Auto vevaia diorthwnetai vazontas perissoterh dynamh otan frenaroume me to s2k. (to ABS "shkwnei" mexri 100kg dynamh) O logos pou to s2k den exei auto to systhma einai autos pou egrapsa parapanw, dioti etsi den tha htane toso eukola akrivhs o prosdiorismos ths dynamhs pou tha eprepe na xrhsimopoihsoume gia na frenaroume swsta etsi oste na plasaroume to ama3i se strofh. Epishs to gegonos oti to autokihto den "gonatizei" den exei na kanei to oti ta frena den einai ikana alla me thn ipodeigmatikh katanomh varous tou kai to telio sthsimo tou kai tis foveres anarthseis tou. Vevaia to ola sthsimo tou apeuthynetai se kapoion me eidikes gnwseis sthn odhgish kai mporei na troma3ei kapoion adah. Gia paradeigma polloi fovountai to gegonos oti to autokinhto elafrwnei thn oura tou sto dynato frenarisma apo ta "polla" auto vevaia einai paixnidi kai ergalia sta xeria enos empeirou odhgou. Ola auta vevaia gia na ta katalavei kapoios prepei na ta dokimasei me asfaleia sthn pista, na mathei na dioxnei to autokinhto me frena na dei pws symperiferetai ktl. Opoios den ton kanei aplws thetei ton eauto tou se kindyno kai isws na mhn prepei na to odhgei grhgora.


Pame loipon sta BBKs:

To prwto pou tha pw einai oti polla paidia apo to "racing and competition" forum pou trexoune se agwnes kai exoune alla3ei polla pragmata exoune afhsei ta mama frena sto autokinhto. An pali alla3ei kapoios frena amfivalw an tha meiwthei h apostash akinhtopoihshs tou autokinhtou kai AN auth meiwthei, h diafora tha einai amelhtea. Auto pou prepei na exoume ipospin mas einai oti autokinhto den stamataei me ta frena alla me ta lastixa. An kapoios thelei na exei kalytero frenarisma tha mporouse na valei lastixa me pio malakh goma. An pali kapoios den thelei na teliwnoun ta frena tou me synexomena frenarismata, to oipoio den ginetai oute sthn pista kai o monos logos pou mporw na skeftw einai na diakosarizei kai na takinhtopoiei to ama3i se kokkina fanaria epanhlimena, tha mporouse na valei ena set me pio sklhra takakia kai na anoi3ei aeragwgous trypontas tous tholous. Ena allo thema pou prepei na skeftei kapoios einai na mhn diatara3ei thn isoropoia tou autokinhtou sta frenarismata. Akoma prepei na lhfthei ipopsin oti to BBK pou tha topothetithei tha prepei na einai symvato me to ABS tou autokinhtou alliws tha energopoieitai sinexeia ... Epishs to BBK pou tha topothetithei tha prepei na tairiazei me ton master cylinder twn frenwn wste na askei thn swsth dynamh.

Kati pou den 3eroun polloi einai oti sta BBK den prepei na e3etazoume mono ton apolyto arithmo pistoniwn stis daganes alla to synoliko emvado pou kalyptoun. Gia paradeigma oi 4pistones daganes ths Spoon exoune idio emvado me tis 2pistones mama. Oi 4pistones ths Brembo exoune megalyteris diametrou pistonia apo autes ths Spoon ara kai megalytrerh dynamh. Oi e3apistones tis Endless exoune mini pistonia, alla den gnwrizw to synoliko emvado tous. Ap o,ti exw diavasei oi daganes tis AP einai kalyteres apo ths Brembo.

Kati pou den 3eroun akoma perissoteroi einai oti sta frena paizei poly rolo to yliko to opoio einai kataskeuasmena. Gia paradeigma oi daganes ths spoon kai ths brembo einai ftiagmenes apo cast aluminium pou einai yliko poly malakotero apo to forged aluminium (to opoio einai poly pio dyskolo kai akrivo sthn kataskeuh). Auto exei ws apotelesma oi daganes na lygizoun kata to frenarisma me apotelesma na mhn einai toso apodotiko. Etsi an apofasisoume na agorasoume kati tha prepei auto na einai forged aluminium.

Kontologis an theloume na anavathmisoume ta frena tha mporousame na xrhsimopoihsoume swlhnakia ypsilhs pieshs (an kai ta mama einai poly kala, oi diafores tha einai amelhtees), agwnistika ygra frenwn opws ta motul 600, ta opoia kalo tha htane na allazoume 1 fora to e3amhno kai isws ena set pio sklhra takakia analoga me thn odhghdh pou kanoume. Vasikh anavathmish tha einai h topothethsh aeragogwn mprosta alla opws eida apo proswpikh empeiria kyriws pisw. Telos an kapoios thelei na agorasei ena BBK gia to bling effect kai gia na meiwsei mh anartwmeno varos (pragma pou den symferei oikonomika) kalo tha htane na agorasei kapoios pou tha einai forged aluminium kai na einai symvata me to master cylinder kai ABS tou s2k.

Sygxwreste me gia tyxon lathh.

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Old 01-24-2008, 11:56 AM
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ego pantos kalifthika......ta endless ksana gia poulima lipon kai kala eimaste...!!!
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:36 PM
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τασο....σκοτωνεις αψογος..ετσι ακριβως οπως τα λες ειναι..
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Μπράβο φίλε. Απόλυτα τεκμηριωμένη απάντηση.
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Φιλε και συνονοματε Τασο συμφωνω απολυτα μαζι σου! Για χρηση δρομου η αλλαγη φρενων ειναι εντελως περιττη οσο επιθετικη και αν ειναι η οδηγηση!
Στην πιστα των Μεγαρων που επισκεφθηκα την Κυριακη , δεν διαπιστωσα πουθενα ανεπαρκεια των φρενων. Ειδικα στην Κ6 οπου τα χιλιομετρα ειναι πολλα τα φρενα ηταν υποδειγματικα εκτος βεβαια απο μια ελαφρια μυρωδια μετα απο αρκετους γυρους!
Το αυτοκινητο που ειχα πριν ειχε τετραπιστονα φρενα (Leon Cupra R) και ηταν το σημειο αναφορας μου για να συγκρινω το s2000.
Υποψιν οτι δεν ειμαι και τοσο καλος οδηγος πραγμα το οποιο σημαινει κακη χρηση, αρα και κοπωση, των φρενων.
Δεν θα τολμαγα προσωπικα να ακουμπησω τα φρενα αυτου του αυτοκινητου εμπιστευομενος καποιον τυχαιο μαστορα.
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:38 PM
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Καλά Τάσο έγραψες!!!! Πολύ τεκμηριωμένα όλα.



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Old 01-25-2008, 02:18 AM
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Εμένα πάντος δεν μου απαντήσατε αν στις μαμά δαγκάνες μπαίνουν μεγαλύτεροι δίσκοι.

Και δεν εννοώ τεραστίων διαστάσεων φυσικά....
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:32 AM
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@Taseas

Nα αναφερω οτι οσοι εχουν βαλει Willwood, εχουν κανει πολλα παραπονα για τα σωληνακια τους τα οποια στη σκληρη χρηση χανουν μερικη ποσοτητα υγρων φρενων και παιρνουν τα ιδια τα υγρα φωτια σε ακραιες περιπτωσεις λογω υψηλων θερμοκρασιων των δισκοπλακων. Δε ξερω ομως αν εχουν διορθωσει πλεον το συγκεκριμενο προβλημα.
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