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Back to the TMS bus lot. Love it or hate it.

Registration is now open for the 2011 LSC BMWCCA AX #9 - Saturday, November 12, 2011

Direct link - http://www.dlbracing.com/Clubs/Regis...D=4770&LMID=11

Even if you've never tried autocross before, come on out at give it a try. Instructors are provided. Or, ask for a ride with an instructor to see if you might enjoy it. Rides with an instructor and admission are free!

More information can be found on the LSC BMWCCA website http://www.lscbmwcca.org/autocross-schedule.html, and if you want to drive in the event you must register. Cost is $35 for BMWCCA members, but non-members can register for $45 which allows you to try it out one time.

Event information and Directions
**** Register Online at dlbracing.com ****

Registration for 2011 events will be 100% online. We will not accept payment on site! Online registration is available until 9PM the Thursday before each event and opens three Mondays prior to the event.


Tech Inspection
All participant vehicles must pass Tech Inspection on site.
Tech Inspection begins at 8am and will close at 9am.

Mandatory Driver's meeting at 9am.

First car will start around 9:30am.

Usually have 4 runs in the morning heat and 4 runs in the afternoon heat, per driver.

Rides in instructor vehicles are free. A helmet must be worn. There are loaner helmets available for those that do not own their own helmet. (Helmets must be rated M-2005 or SA-2005 or newer)

LSC BMW Autocross #9 - Nov 12 @TMS

Gernby

Registered!

pmptx

What class is the S2000?
They are all Lettered and no S2000 class as it is a BMW event.
Looks like Y according to the rules, but wanted to verify.
Sorry for the autox noobness

Gernby

We are in class Y, but hopefully they will move the S2000 back to X next year. The S2000 is not as dominant as it was back in '03 when they decided to bump it up a class.

CosmosMpower

Not a chance. S2000 is way too fast for class X. The only car in class X that's fast enough to compete is the NC Miata. If you move the S2000 to X the NA, NB Miatas become obselete as well as any of the other usual FWD econoboxes. S2000 should sit squarely in Y. There's nothing in Y that severely out classes it except maybe a very well setup SP Evo/STi on street tires or an Elise on street tires.

Gernby

I disagree. If you look at the results from the 8 BMW events this year, there were only 4 events where an S2000 would have won X class, and 2 of those would have been by a tenth of a second. The other 4 events would have been won by miatas (or MX-5's). However, an S2000 only won 1 event in Y Class, and was consistently beat by AWD turbos that were sometimes driven by noob's.

#1 - The Fastest S2000 was beat by 4 X class cars
#2 - The Fastest S2000 was 1.834 seconds faster than the fastest X class car
#3 - The Fastest S2000 was 1.268 seconds faster than the fastest X class car
#4 - The Fastest S2000 was beat by 1 X class car
#5 - The Fastest S2000 was beat by 2 X class cars
#6 - The Fastest S2000 was 0.067 seconds faster than the fastest X class car
#7 - The Fastest S2000 was 0.100 seconds faster than the fastest X class car
#8 - The Fastest S2000 was beat by 2 X class cars

Note that some of the cars that I call "X class" above did not actually run in X class

CosmosMpower

There's quite a bit of driver experience skewing this. And the argument should be to move the NC up to class Y not the S2000 down to class X. Besides the NC, the S2000 destroys everything else in class X by a large margin provided a good driver. The NC Miata does the same to class X and is competitive in class Y. Really they could just make class X up to 1.9L and make Y start at 2.0L.

Event 1. Top 2 X cars are the same NC Miata followed by a nationally competitive STS car. Fastest S2000 is Greg who has less than 1 season in a RWD, MT car transitioning from a FWD automatic GTI. There aren't many fast S2000 driver still running their cars in Y consistently.
Event 2. With an experienced S2000 driver and NC not in the equation S2000 wins by a huge 1.8 margin
Event 3. Ditto
Event 4. Again, NC Miata which I already explained is probably a class killer in X and could probably run in Y with the S2000.
Event 5. Ditto
Event 6. Etc Etc.......

Gernby

I get your point about the old Miatas, but doesn't there have to be a point when a ~20 year old platform doesn't dominate its class? If not, then I believe the "bump list" needs to be expanded to include the new dominant cars, like the Evo.

CosmosMpower

Yes it's a 20 year old platform but when 30-40% of your entire target audience supporting the events is that 20 year old platform well...

Evo isn't that dominant against a S2000 provided similiar prep levels. Look at STR vs STU, pretty close times across various events around the country. I say leave the older Miatas in X, move the NC to Y with the S2000/Evo etc. Historically I think the S2000 has won more series championships in class Y than the Evo or Sti.

762

The BMW classing is fine. With the exception of the NC Miata the fast cars in X Class are the STS CRX, STS NA Miata, and STR NB Miata. The fastest cars in class Y are the boost buggies, and the STR S2000.

If you wanted to fix the classing the only real way to do it would be to just pull out the STR cars and put them in their own class. Nationals has shown that the STS cars can be very close in performance so that would make class X effectively STS. Without the STR cars class Y would become STU. Then just add the STR cars as a separate class, problem solved.

A fully prepped STU STI/EVO is faster then the STR car. Just look at nationals results, we just do not have any running in NTAXS or BMWCCA to show that speed differential. Especially on a lower grip surface like the Bus Lot, or the more open courses at MWells.